Would you become a robot?

It doesn't work like that. When something else with your mind in it can see, you yourself won't be able to see what they see. When you die, you still won't be able to. It's simple logic peoples, there's no way around it.

 

It doesn't work like that. When something else with your mind in it can see, you yourself won't be able to see what they see. When you die, you still won't be able to. It's simple logic peoples, there's no way around it.

You don't need to directly transfer your consiousness into the machine. The brain is very similar to an HD, all you need to do is to find some way to transfer all your memories/emotions/feelz into the chips and I'm sure it'll be achievable in the future provided the world survives that far.

 

What if you have several copies of your brain working at one time? Several similar characters but of different vessels?

Logic can be proven wrong through illogical means.

Antilogic can be proven wrong through illogical means. Thus, antilogic may not exist.

 

Here's a problem: You know the general "vision" you have? Behind your eyes, and nobody else? That is that which you experience, which can never be replicated.

Given your mind is cloned or placed into a machine, you yourself will never experience it, as it is impossible to transfer this essence. It might be a copy, but it isn't the original, and never will be.

That's basically the point that I was trying to make.

 

Well, you could circumvent that trouble by transferring your mind along with the hardware, Robocop-style. Or, alternatively, there could be a technology that would attach directly to your brain and move your mind into itself while running. Then it would simply be moved into a robotic body.

 

theorhetically

Nice new word.

peer pressure

...Why on earth did I think that said "beer pressure"? :/

No question. I would become a robot.

There are many reasons.

Oh? Let's look at a few of them. I see some flaws already.

First- of all is the immortality. So what if you die? You backed up your data. Some friend of yours just places that data into another vessel. Then wham your back in business baby.

Oh, you like the sound of immortality? Well, what if some of your best friends disagreed with the whole "becoming a robot" thing? You would have to watch them die while you live on. Would you like that?

Also, if you are immortal, then it follows that you will never die, right? And eventually, a point will come when you've been everywhere, tried everything, and there isn't really anything left to live for. You would then become eternally bored.

Fourth- I'm just that much closer to being Quotes RL BFF! =D

As if you ever could be the best friend of a fictional character.

Fifth- you couldn't make children per say, no sperm, but you can still do anything else a human could do.

Um... this sounds like a clear disadvantage to me.

Ninth- No sleep, and since you can emit lights you're a walking rave

No sleep? What if you liked sleeping? And don't tell me a robot cannot injure itself or even wear itself out. It would take much longer, but it's still a possibility.

Tenth- Learning things is so easy, just download. Have firewalls though so you don't get a virus, lulz.

And if you got a virus, it would be so much worse than a biological virus. A biological virus attacks your body, but if you get a computer virus in your brain... that's attacking your mind. It could be disastrous.

Thirteenth- No need to eat or drink, thus no need for waste, thus you will never need to waste any time of your life doing anything

Well... I was going to put forth a disadvantage of robots: the power supply. How do they get energy? A battery will wear out, solar cells are unreliable, etc... But then it struck me that you have the solution right here. If the robot can eat and drink, it can get energy from the food just like a human. An advantage of it being a robot is that it may be able to convert the food into energy more efficiently, hence producing less waste. Then again, is that really a good thing? Waste is important. It is necessary. Obviously it doesn't help the one who discards it, but it helps the plants. Conversely, plant wastes help us (after all, oxygen is a plant waste). So really, this one is quite appropriately numbered.

Fourteenth- No oxygen, Deep sea diving and air locked areas here I come!

Well, if my above suggestion was true, oxygen would still be required, but you could probably have a module that extracts it from the water for you, so deep sea diving at least may be an option.

 

Antilogic can be proven wrong through illogical means. Thus, antilogic may not exist.

Say what?
What about sub-logic?
Can that be proven wrong?

 

...Sub-logic? What's that?

 

...Sub-logic? What's that?

It means you take DragonBoots, the randomest character on the boards, less seriously.

Although logic suggests that it means application of only half the logic and screw the rest so that loopholes in the logic can't be exploited easily.

 

It means you take DragonBoots, the randomest character on the boards, less seriously.

Although logic suggests that it means application of only half the logic and screw the rest so that loopholes in the logic can't be exploited easily.

I think what he means by sub-logic is logic within logic, not half the logic. Half the logic is still logic.

 

Oh, you like the sound of immortality? Well, what if some of your best friends disagreed with the whole "becoming a robot" thing? You would have to watch them die while you live on. Would you like that?

Yes, my friends and family would die; however, even without immortality that would happen anyway. Friends and family die even while you remain a mortal. Besides, I've moved around so many times and have been torn away from so many extremely close friends I've already felt that. Since it's nothing new to me, I believe I could withstand it again. Even as a human you'd live through the death of your parents, so if you can live with that you can live with anything.

If you are immortal, then it follows that you will never die, right? And eventually, a point will come when you've been everywhere, tried everything, and there isn't really anything left to live for. You would then become eternally bored.

That is true, yet it is not. The world is ever-changing and new things being created. You make it sound like traveling the universe then recording your data on something to help others and befriending every alien in the universe will take 10 years or something. Eventually is a long time my friend.

if you ever could be the best friend of a fictional character.

HEY! If I was a robot I could make another robot that would look just like and act like Quote. How I would get his personality is a mystery but hell. Worth a shot!

... this sounds like a clear disadvantage to me.

I reversed what I meant to say. I was going to say "You can do anything a human can do, but you don't have sperm no babies. Yet you could still do anything else pretty much."
Meaning, you can do almost everything you could do as a human.

sleep? What if you liked sleeping? And don't tell me a robot cannot injure itself or even wear itself out. It would take much longer, but it's still a possibility.

I do like sleeping, but then again when did I say you couldn't. In fact you could live in your dreams. I mean if you could place yourself in a program where reality is warped because it's just a program then stay there then stay there. Plus, I agree, they will need to recharge. That is true. So I guess they would need to "sleep" but not as often nor as long.

Not only that but you just added another Plus to my list
Robots can break their arm, lose a leg, and blow off their whatever and just replace it. Lost limbs are a thing of the past!

if you got a virus, it would be so much worse than a biological virus. A biological virus attacks your body, but if you get a computer virus in your brain... that's attacking your mind. It could be disastrous.

That's true, but it kinda is your fault if you get a virus. Stop lookin up the porn. Honestly you could back up your memory then if you get an incurable virus you reformat and remake it. Then again you also make it sound like there AREN'T things out there for humans that destroy their mind. I mean seriously.
Plus it's not like there isn't going to be super smart people who could fix up robots if they had a virus. Not only that, since there are now ROBOTS in the world they would enforce all websites to not have any kind of virus and to have strong as hell virus protection on their sites, seeing as that would now destroy the lives of robots.

... I was going to put forth a disadvantage of robots: the power supply. How do they get energy? A battery will wear out, solar cells are unreliable, etc... But then it struck me that you have the solution right here. If the robot can eat and drink, it can get energy from the food just like a human. An advantage of it being a robot is that it may be able to convert the food into energy more efficiently, hence producing less waste. Then again, is that really a good thing? Waste is important. It is necessary. Obviously it doesn't help the one who discards it, but it helps the plants. Conversely, plant wastes help us (after all, oxygen is a plant waste). So really, this one is quite appropriately numbered.

Huzzah!

, if my above suggestion was true, oxygen would still be required, but you could probably have a module that extracts it from the water for you, so deep sea diving at least may be an option.

Well there are many forms of generators. Oxygen may be one so I won't rule that out, but that far in the future they would make it to where you could do that.

 

, if you are immortal, then it follows that you will never die, right? And eventually, a point will come when you've been everywhere, tried everything, and there isn't really anything left to live for. You would then become eternally bored.

How about never recharging yourself or throwing yourself on the sun's surface?

 

How about never recharging yourself or throwing yourself on the sun's surface?

Hell, you can even just turn yourself off. It's not like robots are truly immortal.

 

Hell, you can even just turn yourself off. It's not like robots are truly immortal.

Suicide robots? cool

 

Hell, you can even just turn yourself off. It's not like robots are truly immortal.

This sentence is contradictory.

Think about it.

I shall not reveal why unless asked via MSN/PM cause I'd hate to spam too much.

 

This sentence is contradictory.

Think about it.

I shall not reveal why unless asked via MSN/PM cause I'd hate to spam too much.

No, it isn't. Those are two sentences that don't go together quite well. But, apart from that, you're right. Should've phrased that differently.

But back to the immortality topic: There are plenty of ways to end a robot's "life". Quote's a robot, and he can die. Curly can drown in the Core chamber, not to mention those all-banged-up warbots. You can end it whenever you can.

 

Quote-like robots manipulate time to overcome the mortality problem!!!!! Woohoo!!

But if they fail to manipulate what they intended to change as they "died" earlier, they might just repeat the same failure forever, and that's one reason why you shouldn't be a Quote-like robot.

 

Yes, my friends and family would die; however, even without immortality that would happen anyway. Friends and family die even while you remain a mortal. Besides, I've moved around so many times and have been torn away from so many extremely close friends I've already felt that. Since it's nothing new to me, I believe I could withstand it again. Even as a human you'd live through the death of your parents, so if you can live with that you can live with anything.

But if you're mortal, yes you see friends and family die, but there's a limit to how much of that you'll see because at some point you'll be the one to die.

If you're immortal, it would happen over and over and over again. You would get to know somebody, befriend them... and then they die. Over and over for an eternity. The only way to avoid that would be to never make friends.

And I don't really think being separated from a friend is quite the same as seeing them die. In the latter case, you know you'll never see them again.

That is true, yet it is not. The world is ever-changing and new things being created. You make it sound like traveling the universe then recording your data on something to help others and befriending every alien in the universe will take 10 years or something. Eventually is a long time my friend.

True. Eventually is a long time. So, you may spend several million years exploring the universe, recording data, etc. And then you would come back, perhaps, and see that the earth has changed.

So, yes, it would take a long time. But with an eternity ahead of you, it is inevitable. There will come a point somewhere in the immortal life where there is simply nothing new left to do.

That's true, but it kinda is your fault if you get a virus.

Oh really? I'd say it's more the fault of the person who wrote it, and perhaps whoever distributed it across the network (which are probably both the same person).

Honestly you could back up your memory then if you get an incurable virus you reformat and remake it.

Yeah, right. Computer viruses often erase data. If data is erased, it cannot be recovered. (Note: while this is true, deleting a file often does not erase it.) And if the virus destroys your mind, do you really think you'll be able to make the decision to reformat and restore from backup? And what if the backup got infected too?

Then again you also make it sound like there AREN'T things out there for humans that destroy their mind.

Oh, really, there aren't. Not like a computer virus, anyway. Most things that damage the human mind do so by disrupting connections... at least that's the impression I've got. They don't erase the data. A computer virus, on the other hand, cannot disrupt connections. The connections in a computer are the wires, and computer code has no control over them. It can, however, erase data, and often does.

Plus it's not like there isn't going to be super smart people who could fix up robots if they had a virus.

As I said, if the virus is erasing data, there can be no recovery. (Unless an uninfected backup is available.)

Not only that, since there are now ROBOTS in the world they would enforce all websites to not have any kind of virus and to have strong as hell virus protection on their sites, seeing as that would now destroy the lives of robots.

And what makes you think that a ban on viruses will get rid of them? It would probably easier just to give the robots antivirus software.

Note that a virus is a computer program. So, if you never execute a file from an unknown source, you cannot get a computer virus. Therefore, it would probably be possible to avoid getting a virus simply by never executing a program.

How about never recharging yourself or throwing yourself on the sun's surface?

The first isn't a death for a robot, since it could always be recharged by someone else. And the second is suicide, so it doesn't count.

 

You know, it is actually not that difficult to make a virus-proof robot. The reason viruses are such a problem with modern computers is that their operating systems are designed in a very non-controlling way. In other words, there are very few limits as to what a peice of software can do. On a modern computer, a *.exe file has the power to directly edit the data on the hard drive and RAM, with out having to pass through any sort of interface. If you simply made a robot with an operating system that requires software to edit the data on the hard drive and RAM through an interface defined by the operating system, rather than editing it directly, then it would be impossible to make a virus for that operating system.

 

The first isn't a death for a robot, since it could always be recharged by someone else. And the second is suicide, so it doesn't count.

And how exactly does suicide not count as a death?