• Hey everyone happy Christmas Eve we're aware of what's happened with the source code so to keep this simple absolutely don't post it on the site or use it to make mods with (it's not particularly preferable toward this end anyway) and tread lightly in general until we see how this settles, thanks to all and have a great holiday season -DT

Starting a Sue's Workshop clone

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Yes, that is what I was saying.

Also, to add maps, just add a pxe and tsc file for each new map, and also each having the same name. the TSC file holds the code, the pxe holds the map tiles and entities.

Any chance of an in-built assembler?

afreet

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do you know exactly what the save stores? I know max health current health, weapons and flags, but is there anything else?

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don't feel like posting again, so thanks andwhy.
Also, SP if you are having trouble getting doukutsu to load the new maps you make fire up your hex editor, and search for a map name. that genaeral area is where you need to have a map name for it to register.
 
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Do you have any idea whether that would work on the Mac? I think the files are usually endian-swapped for PPC compatibility...
 
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Give me a pc Profile.dat and a mac whatever-contains-the-profile.dat-info that are the same, with at least 1 weapon, 1 item, 1 equipped item (map?), and 1 teleporter location enabled (egg corridor?) and I will check it out for you. Make sure you face the same direction when saving, and wedged against the wall so that it is the same spot. The save spot in Mimiga Village should do for this I think.

If I can get this to work then I might create mac versions of the Profile.dat files I have on the tribute site.

Yay!

EDIT: Then again the same info should apply, but just with the endian-swaping. I heard once that the mac Profile.dat was basically an endian-swapped pc Profile.dat
 
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EPIC BUMP!

I posted in a Microsoft Forum and my VB Express 2005 works again.
So be ready for more updates.

Lace said:
Change push 80 to the max maps.

Uh, 0x80 = 128 Maps.
That's like the bounds = Maximum number of maps.
But I'm searching for the current number of maps, like adding maps to the whole list which is hardcoded in the exe.
I don't even know if there is enough free space in the exe for that.

Lace said:
Any chance of an in-built assembler?

Yep.

Lace said:
Also, SP if you are having trouble getting doukutsu to load the new maps you make fire up your hex editor, and search for a map name. that genaeral area is where you need to have a map name for it to register.

I know how all that works, I'm hacking Doukutsu now since 3 years.
But I don't know how to add maps though, because adding maps in the stage folder won't work.
 
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Bump! -_-

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This isn't dead yet!

I'm just having huge problems with drawing to my formular, as you can see.
Need help with images, maybe coding, hacking and so on.
I may release CL as free software. (It will be Open Source then)
 
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innocent.bystander said:
Looks nice, but why wouldn't it be free?
I think what SP was trying to say was that CL might be "open source" instead of just freeware yet closed source.
 
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There is a difference between "free" software and "freeware".
Free software is open source plus if you modify it, you have to give credit and can't release it as closed source.
 
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Um... that's not quite right, SP.

Free software is a very vague phrase which covers both freeware and open source software. Moreover, the phrase "open source software" does not carry with it the requirement of "must credit and can't release an alteration of it as closed source".

Freeware generally refers to software that can be downloaded for free, but for which the source is not made available.

Open source software is software for which the source is made available. It does not necessarily imply that the software is freeware, but I would imagine it's kinda hard (probably impossible) to prevent distribution of the executable yet allow distribution of the source.

Open source software licensed under the GNU GPL (General Public License) requires that you do not release any derivative of the software under a license other than GPL. However, open source software licensed under other licenses (such as the BSD license or the Mozilla Public License) does not necessarily have this requirement. So it's a fallacy to say that a derivative of an open source software program can never be released as a non-free for-profit application.
 
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Celtic Minstrel said:
Um... that's not quite right, SP.

Free software is a very vague phrase which covers both freeware and open source software. Moreover, the phrase "open source software" does not carry with it the requirement of "must credit and can't release an alteration of it as closed source".

Freeware generally refers to software that can be downloaded for free, but for which the source is not made available.

Open source software is software for which the source is made available. It does not necessarily imply that the software is freeware, but I would imagine it's kinda hard (probably impossible) to prevent distribution of the executable yet allow distribution of the source.

Open source software licensed under the GNU GPL (General Public License) requires that you do not release any derivative of the software under a license other than GPL. However, open source software licensed under other licenses (such as the BSD license or the Mozilla Public License) does not necessarily have this requirement. So it's a fallacy to say that a derivative of an open source software program can never be released as a non-free for-profit application.
Aww... you got there first. No fair! :rolleyes:
 
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Em, I know 80 = 128. I was simply stating that to change the maximum amount of max possible w/o crashing the exe, change that, and to make the exe work the fastest, you should probably automatically make that to the number of maps you have currently.

no feel like quotey thing, so:

"I know how all that works, I'm hacking Doukutsu now since 3 years.
But I don't know how to add maps though, because adding maps in the stage folder won't work."

Em, what did that have to do with what I said?

Okay, want soon.
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Celtic Minstrel said:
Um... that's not quite right, SP.

Free Software = Software with GPL License (Common speech)

So it was quite right.
GPL means copyleft but doesn't mean that you don't have to credit the author.
 
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S. P. Gardebiter said:
Free Software = Software with GPL License (Common speech)
Uh... not really. Freeware that is not open source is still free software.

Also, the GPL does not require author attribution. Section 7, however, appears to say that it may be supplemented with that requirement:
GPL said:
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Perhaps you should actually read the licence before making claims about it?
 
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1. Not everything has a GPL licence, there are other licences for use with open source software (BSD, Creative Commons, etc.).
2. "Free software" means just that, it usually means either freeware or open source software.
3. Open source software is commonly called "open source". Who would've thought. I have seen alot of open source programs, but every one was called "open source".
4. "Freeware" is typically applied to closed source "free software". I know you could call it the open source stuff freeware if you wanted, but most prefer the term "open source" over freeware for open source free software.
5. I am facepalming so hard that it hurts.
 
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Creative Commons discourages the use of their licenses for software, though. That said, I think there are a few that do use it.
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software

Free software doesn't mean that you get the software for free, it means that the software itself is free. (Like to be free.)

Now you should ask first what I mean, before you assume that I don't know what I'm talking about, which was kinda ignorant :p I'm not a native english.
 
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"Open source" is a better term because it removes any possibility of confusion.
 
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Celtic Minstrel said:
"Open source" is a better term because it removes any possibility of confusion.

For you maybe, but not for the whole programming scene.
"Free Software" is a widely known term, for everyone who grappled with computers, more than just checking out little forums about indie games.

Plus "Free Software" is much more than only "Open Source Software".
 
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Oh really? How so?

Let me guess... it also includes freeware? :rolleyes:
 
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