Movie script

Well, I finally found a computer, eveni if it is the las day I'm out here. I'm actually using the internt on the TV at the hotel, it's pretty sweet. Wireless kybord is glitchy, so please ignore the typos.

I see you'e having some fun with this whole mmish thing, but hey, what are obsesion-driven fans for? I'll give more input when I'm not looking at six point font.

 

If {arm} and {leg} are the same symbol, it would be {limb}.

Yeah, and {Above}{Limb} would mean "arm" and [alt]{Above}{Limb} would mean "leg". Which means {Above} should also work as "upper".

Damn, I should speed up with the symbols...

 

Controller symbols:
[alt] (means next symbol, the one below, is its opposite)
[null] (means the absence of whatever the next symbol, the one below, represents)

Conector Symbols:
[on] (previous symbol on/over next symbol)
[in] (previous symbol within next symbol)

Standard Symbols:
Do
Be
Front/Ahead
Large/Tall/High/Big/Great
Emotion
Up/Above/Sky/Upper (alt variation can mean earth or another name for the surface)
Water/Ocean/River/Sea/Lake/Dam/Creek/Rain/Waterway.. (you get the idea)
Physical
Positive/Yes/Good
Obtain/Gain/Possess/Take
Letter/Symbol/Glyph
People/Mimiga/Us
Hot/Heat
Create/Build/Created/Built (can also mean to work towards something)
Natural (alt means artificial)
Alert
Vessel/Container
Fast/Quick/Agile
Life/Soul/Spirit/Ghost
Lead ("[alt]{Lead}" means "Follow")
Language/Sentence/Paragraph
Open/Expand/Increase
Complete/Full
Time/Event/Age (in the case of stating someone's age, the numbers are included after the {Age} symbol in the same word)
True/Truth
Help/Assist
Offer/Request (alt variation can mean accept)
Tool
Came/Here
Finite
Loose/Free
Aim/Target/Indicate
Think/Mind/Intelligence
Ability
Place/Area/Location
Permission
Luck (null means bad luck, alt means skill)
Learn/Remember/Know
Pain
Strong
Width/Wide
Tree/Shrub/Plant
Hear/Sound/Noise
Story/Tale
Now/Present
Like/Love/Appreciate
Reproduction/Birth/Sex
Family/Brother/Mother/Father/Sister
Fair/Just/Rules/Standards
Soft/Fine
Strange/Wierd/Silly ({Strange}[alt]{Positive} can sometimes mean insane)
Safe/Protect/Shelter/Defend
See/Visual/Look (can be used to say how something appears to you)
Left
Limb
Hand/Foot/Paw
Start/Begin (both alt and non-alt variations can mean "Zero" as it is the beginning of the counting system)
One
Two
Three
Four
Five
Six
Seven
Eight

Note: The Mimiga counting system is {Start}, {One}, {Two}, {Three}, {Four}, {Five}, {Six}, {Seven}, {Eight}, {One}{One}, {One}{Two}, etc. which was basically 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,11,12.. since Mimiga have a base of 8 in their counting system due to only having 8 fingers (humans have a base of 10, so our number 21 is their number 25). The first set of numbers is based on the left hand and the other on the right. {Start} is only used in the number 0 and does not show up in any other number since 10 is replaced by the number 8, this can cause confusion when comparing to the human numbering system.

If anyone could check that I haven't doubled up on symbols or created a symbol that can be created with two or more other symbols then that would be great.

Thinking of changing the number system, but this time to {Start}, {One}, {Two}, {Three}, {Four}, [alt]{One}, [alt]{Two}, [alt]{Three}, [alt]{Four}, {One}{One}, {One}{Two}, etc. That way it can be like my original one but with only one symbol per digit.

 

I've always wondered why people don't count in bases equal to the amount of fingers they have on one hand rather than two. In base 4, like a mimiga would have, you can represent numbers up to 24 using both hands (one for each digit; 00 to 44.) In base 5, we could count up to 35, rather than just 10.

This would be handy (pardon the pun) to compensate for having less fingers to count on. Random food for thought on numbering systems.

 

Don't we only need to have Mimish words that actually show up in the movie on signs or whatever? Does ALL of that show up on signs?

 

I've always wondered why people don't count in bases equal to the amount of fingers they have on one hand rather than two. In base 4, like a mimiga would have, you can represent numbers up to 24 using both hands (one for each digit; 00 to 44.) In base 5, we could count up to 35, rather than just 10.

This would be handy (pardon the pun) to compensate for having less fingers to count on. Random food for thought on numbering systems.

Don't you mean 20? But the main issue with this is the number of symbols per digit in a number. With the mimiga counting system I am trying to do it with only one symbol per digit and with the least number of different symbols required. Besides the method you are describing would more represent a base 20 numbering system than a base 4 numbering system, actually it would be a base 4 number within a digit within a base 20 number thing. I thought of doing this but I never used it for the same reason I scrapped the first numbering system.

Don't we only need to have Mimish words that actually show up in the movie on signs or whatever? Does ALL of that show up on signs?

Those are not words but letters or symbols that are used to create words.

 

Base 4 would go from 00 to 33, not to 44. The base of a counting system (or whatever it is called in English) can be simply explained as the number of digits the system uses. In base 4 that would be 0,1,2,3. Well of course the Mimigas could easily count in base 5, since then they don't need more than four fingers on each hand. The greatest figure on two hands, 44, wold be 24, as RuneLancer correctly noted. Also, if each hand would have its own digit, then it would really be base 5.

PS: {Here} {Be}[alt]{Above} "Arthur", {Positive} {Brave}{Person}[of]{Mimigas}

 

If anyone could check that I haven't doubled up on symbols

Sorting the lines reveals no doubles.

PS: {Here} {Be}[alt]{Above} "Arthur", {Positive} {Brave}{Person}[of]{Mimigas}

Let me guess – the inscription on Arthur's grave?

 

Let me guess – the inscription on Arthur's grave?

You're absolutely right. Suppose you know where a sign saying {Water} is, then.

 

The passage leading to the reservoir?

 

I finally got a chance to look over the whole language thing. Pretty detailed. A few words I'd add:

land/home/island
earth/surface/foreign
instrument/tool
evade/dodge
argue/debate/contradict
irk/annoy
clothing/apparel
fire (might add onto hot/heat)
trap/corner/catch
finish/end/conclude

Just some suggestions. Oh, and does the counting system go from 88 to 100 or 111?

 

The passage leading to the reservoir?

Yep, that's right. Although I'm not sure if the door is present in the movie version. Is it?

I finally got a chance to look over the whole language thing. Pretty detailed. A few words I'd add:

land/home/island
earth/surface/foreign
instrument/tool
evade/dodge
argue/debate/contradict
irk/annoy
clothing/apparel
fire (might add onto hot/heat)
trap/corner/catch
finish/end/conclude

Just some suggestions. Oh, and does the counting system go from 88 to 100 or 111?

Welcome back dude. Good suggestions, mostly, only "Finish" is already [alt]{Start}. And... hey, andwhy, I already suggested {Tool}! Where's that on your list?

Well, since Mimish doesn't have word for "zero", it goes from 88 to 111. Confusing, but different. And that's the point.

 

Those are not words but letters or symbols that are used to create words.

Hence, the letters having creating words, the signs now have words on them. Let me clarify my point, though: are all of those words going to be used in the movie? And, if not, why do we need to make words that won't be used there? At least, why do it in the Movie Script thread anyway.

 

For completeness, I guess?

Well, since Mimish doesn't have word for "zero", it goes from 88 to 111. Confusing, but different. And that's the point.

     Regular
Base 8     Mimiga
Number     Number
0  0          {Start/Begin}
1  1          1
2  2          2
3  3          3
4  4          4
5  5          5
6  6          6
7  7          7
8  10         8
9  11         11
10  12         12
11  13         13
12  14         14
13  15         15
14  16         16
15  17         17
16  20         18
17  21         21
18  22         22
19  23         23
20  24         24
21  25         25
22  26         26
23  27         27
24  30         28
25  31         31
26  32         32
27  33         33
28  34         34
29  35         35
30  36         36
31  37         37
32  40         38
33  41         41
34  42         42
35  43         43
36  44         44
37  45         45
38  46         46
39  47         47
40  50         48
41  51         51
42  52         52
43  53         53
44  54         54
45  55         55
46  56         56
47  57         57
48  60         58
49  61         61
50  62         62
51  63         63
52  64         64
53  65         65
54  66         66
55  67         67
56  70         68
57  71         71
58  72         72
59  73         73
60  74         74
61  75         75
62  76         76
63  77         77
64  100        78
65  101        81
66  102        82
67  103        83
68  104        84
69  105        85
70  106        86
71  107        87
72  110        88
73  111        111
74  112        112
75  113        113
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79  117        117
80  120        118
81  121        121
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91  133        133
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94  136        136
95  137        137
96  140        138
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519  1007       787
520  1010       788
521  1011       811
etc.

Apparently you're right...


P.S. Do we need to work out how the words are pronounced?

 

Hence, the letters having creating words, the signs now have words on them. Let me clarify my point, though: are all of those words going to be used in the movie? And, if not, why do we need to make words that won't be used there? At least, why do it in the Movie Script thread anyway.

And have you ever used all the words you've ever heard or read in your life? The point of creating Mimish is that we're bored. Well, at least I am. The only one working hard on this project is Atravir, the rest of us are just discussing random parts of the script/game. As if making up a completely new language for a work of fiction was unheard of. And we do it in this thread because, well, it's gonna be used in the movie, and were it not for the movie script, we would never start this.

Apparently you're right...

Of course I am. I'm always right.

 

And because I was bored, my previous post now contains the numbers up to 520 under the Mimiga counting system.

Edit: And here's the next 62:

     Regular
Base 8     Mimiga
Number     Number
522  1012       812
523  1013       813
524  1014       814
525  1015       815
526  1016       816
527  1017       817
528  1020       818
529  1021       821
530  1022       822
531  1023       823
532  1024       824
533  1025       825
534  1026       826
535  1027       827
536  1030       828
537  1031       831
538  1032       832
539  1033       833
540  1034       834
541  1035       835
542  1036       836
543  1037       837
544  1040       838
545  1041       841
546  1042       842
547  1043       843
548  1044       844
549  1045       845
550  1046       846
551  1047       847
552  1050       848
553  1051       851
554  1052       852
555  1053       853
556  1054       854
557  1055       855
558  1056       856
559  1057       857
560  1060       858
529  1061       861
561  1062       862
562  1063       863
563  1064       864
564  1065       865
565  1066       866
566  1067       867
567  1070       868
568  1071       871
569  1072       872
570  1073       873
571  1074       874
572  1075       875
573  1076       876
574  1077       877
575  1100       878
576  1101       881
577  1102       882
578  1103       883
579  1104       884
580  1105       885
581  1106       886
582  1107       887
583  1110       888
583  1111       1111

 

Welcome back dude. Good suggestions, mostly, only "Finish" is already [alt]{Start}. And... hey, andwhy, I already suggested {Tool}! Where's that on your list?

Look at my last list, it's there.

Well, since Mimish doesn't have word for "zero", it goes from 88 to 111. Confusing, but different. And that's the point.

Yep.

I finally got a chance to look over the whole language thing. Pretty detailed. A few words I'd add:

land/home/island
earth/surface/foreign
instrument/tool
evade/dodge
argue/debate/contradict
irk/annoy
clothing/apparel
fire (might add onto hot/heat)
trap/corner/catch
finish/end/conclude

Just some suggestions. Oh, and does the counting system go from 88 to 100 or 111?

- earth/surface is [alt]{sky}
- for foreign I could create a letter for environment/surroundings and have foreign as [alt]{environment}[alt]{know}
- evade/dodge might be better as something created from a {Miss} symbol. {miss}{self}{create} maybe?

I'll look into this stuff later.

PS: {Here} {Be}[alt]{Above} "Arthur", {Positive} {Brave}{Person}[of]{Mimigas}

The Mimiga symbol for "person" also translates to "Mimiga". Hmm.. Brave symbol.

Sorting the lines reveals no doubles.

Score!

Base 4 would go from 00 to 33, not to 44. The base of a counting system (or whatever it is called in English) can be simply explained as the number of digits the system uses. In base 4 that would be 0,1,2,3. Well of course the Mimigas could easily count in base 5, since then they don't need more than four fingers on each hand. The greatest figure on two hands, 44, wold be 24, as RuneLancer correctly noted. Also, if each hand would have its own digit, then it would really be base 5.

I already know about base numbers though.

This was what I assumed runelancer was suggesting (L=left hand, R=right hand):

1L 0R
2L 0R
3L 0R
4L 0R
1L 1R
2L 1R
3L 1R
4L 1R
1L 2R
2L 2R
3L 2R
4L 2R
1L 3R
2L 3R
3L 3R
4L 3R
1L 4R
2L 4R
3L 4R
4L 4R

As you can see, up to 20 (decimal) on two hands both with four fingers.

P.S. Do we need to work out how the words are pronounced?

No, at least not for the perpose of creating this movie. This will be a written language only, unless there is an interest in building a spoken language from it as well. Personally I can see two uses for mimish: signs and MIMISH SUBTITLES FOR THE ENTIRE MOVIE!!!

*ahem*

 

Look at my last list, it's there.

Oh? Yeah, sorry, my bad.

for foreign I could create a letter for environment/surroundings and have foreign as [alt]{environment}[alt]{know}

Why the first [alt]? I think it can be written as "surroundings we don't know"

evade/dodge might be better as something created from a {Miss} symbol maybe?

And instead of {Miss} you could have {Hit} and use [alt]{Hit}...

The Mimiga symbol for "person" also translates to "Mimiga". Hmm.. Brave symbol.

I think there should be the difference between "person" and "society", otherwise it would just confuse readers. And yeah, {Brave} is pretty important. I designed the symbol to look like baseball cap...

I already know about base numbers though.

This was what I assumed runelancer was suggesting (L=left hand, R=right hand):

As you can see, up to 20 (decimal) on two hands both with four fingers.

Well... sure. Let's just assume they use their version of base 8...

No, at least not for the perpose of creating this movie. This will be a written language only, unless there is an interest in building a spoken language from it as well. Personally I can see two uses for mimish: signs and MIMISH SUBTITLES FOR THE ENTIRE MOVIE!!!

Subtitles... hmm... Certainly good idea for a DVD extra... Also, there could be some background texts, like in Simpsons or Futurama. Know what I mean?

 

And some more letters to check for doubles. If a letter below can be represented by more than one letter then tell me okay.

Controller symbols:
[alt] (means next symbol, the one below, is its opposite)
[null] (means the absence of whatever the next symbol, the one below, represents)

Conector Symbols:
[on] (previous symbol on/over next symbol)
[in] (previous symbol within next symbol)

Standard Symbols:
Do
Be
Front/Ahead
Large/Tall/High/Big/Great
Emotion
Up/Above/Sky/Upper (alt variation can mean earth or another name for the surface)
Water/Ocean/River/Sea/Lake/Dam/Creek/Rain/Waterway.. (you get the idea)
Physical
Positive/Yes/Good
Obtain/Gain/Possess/Take
Letter/Symbol/Glyph
Mimiga
Self
Mutiple
Hot/Heat
Create/Build/Created/Built (can also mean to work towards something)
Natural (alt means artificial)
Alert
Vessel/Container
Fast/Quick/Agile
Life/Soul/Spirit/Ghost
Lead ("[alt]{Lead}" means "Follow")
Language/Sentence/Paragraph
Open/Expand/Increase
Complete/Full
Time/Event/Age (in the case of stating someone's age, the numbers are included after the {Age} symbol in the same word)
True/Truth
Help/Assist
Offer/Request (alt variation can mean accept)
Tool/Instrument
Brave
Environment/Surroundings/Home
Came/Here
Hit
Argue/Debate/Contradict
Irk/Annoy
Clothing/Apparel
Trap/Corner/Catch
Finite
Loose/Free
Aim/Target/Indicate
Think/Mind/Intelligence
Ability
Place/Area/Location
Permission
Luck (null means bad luck, alt means skill)
Learn/Remember/Know
Pain
Strong
Width/Wide
Tree/Shrub/Plant
Hear/Sound/Noise
Story/Tale
Now/Present
Like/Love/Appreciate
Reproduction/Birth/Sex
Family/Brother/Mother/Father/Sister
Fair/Just/Rules/Standards
Soft/Fine
Strange/Wierd/Silly ({Strange}[alt]{Positive} can sometimes mean insane)
Safe/Protect/Shelter/Defend
See/Visual/Look (can be used to say how something appears to you)
Left
Limb
Hand/Foot/Paw
Being/Creature
Start/Begin (both alt and non-alt variations can mean "Zero" as it is the beginning of the counting system)
One
Two
Three
Four

Note: The Mimiga counting system is {Start}, {One}, {Two}, {Three}, {Four}, [alt]{One}, [alt]{Two}, [alt]{Three}, [alt]{Four}, {One}{One}, {One}{Two}, etc. which was basically 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,11,12.. since Mimiga have a base of 8 in their counting system due to only having 8 fingers (humans have a base of 10, so our number 21 is their number 25). The first set of numbers is based on the left hand and the other on the right. {Start} is only used in the number 0 and does not show up in any other number since 10 is replaced by the number 8, this can cause confusion when comparing to the human numbering system.

Replaced miss with hit btw, also added person, in a way. I added a word for all creatures, apply intelligent to it and you would limit that to sentient creatures, which I suppose would land you with the word "people".

 

Erm.. Engrish plix.