Difference between Mods and Games

I get the impression that the poll question is too vague.
Can you call a game, a mod and the other way round?
Can you call a game, a mod and the other way around?
Can you call an original game, a mod. And a mod an original game?

Is that what you meant? An original game vs a mod?
And by original game, I mean a game where the creator owns the copyrights.

Can an original game be a mod? Yes. If you own the copyrights.
Can a game be a mod? Yes. A mod of a game is most likely also a game.

Can a mod be an original game? Yes. If the own the copyrights.
Can a mod be a game? Yes. A mod of a game is most likely also a game.

Can you call a Cave Story mod an original game? No. If it is modded off of Cave Story's engine or infringes on Pixel's copyrights. It is not an original game... at least according to the definition I gave of an original game.

Can you call an original game a Cave Story mod? Yes. I guess so? It's a little bit of a stretch in lingustics... but Agora's Legends could possibly fit into this category. A problem could be that the art and music are originally Pixel's right?


If you define an original game as : A unique game, that hasn't been created before. Then you can bend an "original game" to many or all mods.

All depends on the context. If the context is not given, then ask for clarification~

Uh well that's how I see things.

 

Facts don't depend on what anyone think, facts depend on something being true then its a fact. Thats it.

And why is it true? Because someone defined something.

It actually depends on what anyone thinks, because everything is relative. Everyone defines things different.

Also 1 + 1 = 2 is very realtive. 1 + 1 can also be 0. :eek:

1 + 1 = 2 is actually nothing else than 1 + 1 = 1 + 1 meaning that 2 = 1 + 1. But it could also be zero. Why that? Easy: If 1 = 0 then 1 + 1 = 2 would be 0 + 0 = 2 meaning that also 2 equals zero.

It depends on what you define as 1.
1 could mean that you got one apple. But it could also mean that you got zero apples

Again, everything is relative.

I'm going back to ignoring all your non-cave story posts.

Sad that you can't (under)stand, my opinions/facts or whatever and then just being ignorant. If you really want to do that, then just do it.

Edit:

Hmm... Of course Counterstrike is game, but still a mod! This is because the engine is modified and so on ;P It's totally different.

But it's not the same with the Cave Story mods. They are not as much modified as for example Counterstrike is. Even not Runelancers Mod or Schism oder whatever.

 

muhahahah it begins...

The branching from the main points and arguing over pointless stuff!

Seriously though, if people want this argument to die, just don't respond to it. It's retardedly trivial to the Cave Story boards. (omg oh noes, my opinion112!@)

 

rofl @chaddys comment

Allthough I don't think it's pointless, it just leads to being pointless because several people argue about it in a "special way"

 

Im going back on my last post to say that your math teachers must hate you shiny. 1=0 honestly? You do not have the ability to define numbers or words. With your own personal definitions a mod isn't a game. Whatever, in the real world people use the real definitions for things.

 

You think way to narrowly

Everything is relative. This could be a game played by some guy who loughs his a** off when reading our comments.

Or the universe could be controlled by aliens who...

DUNNO! It doesn't matter anyway, because everything is relative.

Edit:

You do not have the ability to define numbers or words..

Wow, then my Basic must be a revolutionary thing!

See:

playerx = 320

PLAYERX IS 320 AND WHEN I ADD 1 TO IT ITS 321! WOW!

Of course Cave Story isn't made that way, there is a small man in your computer who notes the numbers the game uses and calculates all the things.

 

I disagree with the relationship between the words full, and satisfied. Call me a fat ass if you'd like, but when im gorging myself at the chinese buffet I get full, then after eating another 2 or 3 plates I consider myself to be satisfied. The correct definitions of these words will tell you that satisfied comes before full, but I reverse it for myself because i think its satisfying when your stomach tells your brain that its time for a nap.

Shiny you didn't write the dictionary, you can't define words. If you want to use them wrong, thats cool with me (see above example), but unless i know your doing it purposefuly (and with at least some reason) im going to consider you stupid for it.

 

So you can or other people can. I never said I did so.

 

I disagree with the definition "game based on another game" because that would mean new-engine remakes of popular games like Mario and Sonic are mods, not games.

They are changed using the source, not by hacking. Though it may interest you that pokemon gold and silver's engine was labeled as a mod of the red and blue engine. All mods are games, yet not all games are mods.

I mean, put it like this, no matter how good Schism or Magic are, they won't be in acid-play's top-rated list because they are mods of Cave Story.

What point does this prove? Seriously.
If they decided to put all the mods in they would end up with a bunch of games that all look the same.
Besides none of the original mods are completed yet, wouldn't that would be a requirement for acid play?

 

They are changed using the source, not by hacking. Though it may interest you that pokemon gold and silver's engine was labeled as a mod of the red and blue engine. All mods are games, yet not all games are mods.

Not totally correct. Only huge edited games are new games.
If you change one block in Cave Story, is that really a new game?

 

Not totally correct. Only huge edited games are new games.
If you change one block in Cave Story, is that really a new game?

You really have to be a lot more specific with the english language.

So although it may be more accurate to call something a mod vs a new game. It may still not be incorrect in the english language.

If you want to be technical... Do not call mods : Mods. Call them a mod of a game, or a game mod or a game modification. Game Mods and Games can be used interchangeably for example, to describe Schism; because game mods can be a type of game, rather than part of a whole.

[just ignore the word New for now, as that itself complicates things]
Right?

 

Not totally correct. Only huge edited games are new games.
If you change one block in Cave Story, is that really a new game?

It isn't a new game, but it's still a game.

 

It isn't a new game, but it's still a game.

Damn. DoubleThink got there before me.

Well said.

Not totally correct. Only huge edited games are new games.

Sorry SP but you can heavily edit something and still have it labeled as a mod or hack.

 

It's not wrong if you label your own hard work as something petty.


btw according to Wikipedia, mods are divided into two, partially converted or totally converted version of the game. And it seems that the latter is more suitably called a game than the former. I think I did mention this before.

Another point, pretend that we have a game with one block changed, hence we claim it our mod. It'll surely suck if we call the whole game as ours, everyone knows that.
We then name it OBC(one-block-change) mod. But people call it OBC game. Of course, we will have to do something that is, make sure that they call it OBC mod or a mod of the Cave Story game, OBC.

On a side note, some may be confused by my odd language so just deal with it and I just knew that Team Fortress is a mod and anyone enthusiastic enough to edit the Wikiped article and add in our arguments? And hey, this is the real 99th post! OMGzorz!

 

It's not wrong if you label your own hard work as something petty.

There is nothing wrong with calling a mod a mod, but also nothing wrong with calling a mod a game. There is something wrong with calling a mod YOUR GAME though, as long as you call it A GAME or A MOD then you should be fine.

Another point, pretend that we have a game with one block changed, hence we claim it our mod. It'll surely suck if we call the whole game as ours, everyone knows that.

The whole game is not yours, but it is still a game. Note the word in bold, even you called it a game.

The reason why ANY mod is a game is because it follows the nature of the original. The original is a GAME, everything that makes a game a game is there in the MOD of that GAME. It doesn't need to be YOUR game in order for it to be A GAME. As long as you can play the goddamn thing as a video game then it is a friggin' video game!

On a side note, some may be confused by my odd language so just deal with it and I just knew that Team Fortress is a mod and anyone enthusiastic enough to edit the Wikiped article and add in our arguments?

Wait till the argument has died down first.

 

That's why I disagree with calling it a game, it could confuse new members or people who don't know the difference, resulting in they would think you did it yourself, cloned cave story or maybe they would think it's a totally new game.

 

That's why I disagree with calling it a game, it could confuse new members or people who don't know the difference, resulting in they would think you did it yourself, cloned cave story or maybe they would think it's a totally new game.

But that does not make the term "game" incorrect.
Also why would you post it in the "Mod" section if it wasn't a mod.

 

A noob is way more noob-ish like.
He/she wouldn't care for the section.
Search for it, it happened before

 

A noob is way more noob-ish like.
He/she wouldn't care for the section.
Search for it, it happened before

There will always be people who make assumptions and then blurt out those assumptions like they are fact. All we can do is correct them. But this thread is about whether or not mods can truthfully be called games, not the consequences of calling them games, and there is nothing incorrect about calling them games. You are not the first to encounter these problems, but we cannot do anything about it unless..
FORUM ASSASSINS!!!!

 

Thats your opinion, not mine