Difference between Mods and Games

Big deal? Actually members asked me to do this, if you want I can close this, just read the other threads

So what if I call Cave Story a mod, or another game a mod? Is it then a big deal?

My point is, if a member calls a mod, a game, then maybe newbies are confused and thing it is a game made entire by himself (atleast for the sourcecode). It happened before.

 

Big deal? Actually members asked me to do this, if you want I can close this, just read the other threads

So what if I call Cave Story a mod, or another game a mod? Is it then a big deal?

My point is, if a member calls a mod, a game, then maybe newbies are confused and thing it is a game made entire by himself (atleast for the sourcecode). It happened before.

It was I who suggested this thread.

Logic states that something posted in the Cave Story mods forums is bound to be a mod and not a game. That is frickin obvious. I'm sorry, but if someone says he thought a mod really was a game, then either he's unnecessarily trying to display his knowledge about the difference between the two terms, or he's just plain stupid.

I don't know about before, but everytime I've seen you pick on somebody for saying "game", it was always perfectly clear from context what they meant.

 

Leave this thread open, so modding threads will stay on topic more.

 

Leave this thread open, so modding threads will stay on topic more.

Which is why I requested this thread in the first place.

 

A game indeed is something original you created. But the same applies to modifications to that same game. Modding is the changing of a great game with your own ideas thus making it original.

Yes. Exactly.

Well it's still a game- you play it. It's just a modded game. The only issue I see is if the modder gets too much credit or whatnot,

Absolutely right.

A mod is never original, if you be very clear, you would say: "A mod is a total rip-off of a game." Because you didn't created the game, that's why you can't call it a game (your game), which means you made it entire by yourself, meaning you're disrespectul towards the author.

GAH!? A mod is not original? If a mod is not original, then it's not a very good mod, is it? Sure, you used the engine created by someone else (and should credit that person for the engine) but story, level design, graphics (sometimes), etc is all created by the modder and is the modder's original work.

A good majority of ideas that go into a mod were thought up by the person making the mod. They didn't rip them from the author's mind.

There you go.

Mod = Not game.

No. A mod is a game. The set of mods is a subset of the set of games.

Everyone is calling it a mod, lookup wikipedia.

Okay, I will. Look what I came up with! \/

game (countable and uncountable; plural games)
1. (countable) A pursuit or activity with rules performed either alone or with others, for the purpose of entertainment.

Mods are made by the general public or a developer, and can be entirely new games in themselves.

According to Wikipedia, it is fine to call a mod a game. (It does imply that it depends on the mod, though...)

Its not silly, since its about respecting someones work too and since you don't I should ignore you

It is silly. It's a simple, trivial disagreement on terminology.

Still this is my creation and it is a MOD, not a game. Learn the difference,

You need to learn, not the difference, but the similarity.

And you called it a game, claiming it to be the right thing 'cause he/she made up the whole thing except he uses some elements of the original game as this thing's base. But most of us here disagree with that, we call 'em a MOD, a modification.

But it is a game. A mod is a game.

Chapter 2:

If you say that this thing's a game, are you gonna call each of most of everything here, and here and here and here and here and here (and each of those in other sites, which could be thousands of them) a game?
Then how about the originally ultimate game, Cave Story by Pixel-sama? are you going to put it in the same level as these MODS!!! ? You're going to deny his fame? You? A nobody?

I'm not denying anyone's fame. Nor am I suggesting that a mod should be placed on the same level as a game created from scratch. They're not on the same level. But they're both games.

While I take no sides on the difference between the usages of the terms, I personally think it a bit pointless for Garde to open fire everytime someone lets the word "game" slip. It's both rude and undesirable

Agreed.

It's our my belief, that it is disrespectful to the creator that you call a mod a game. Why? Because of ethics. We respect others, and their rights. Pixel made the game in around five years you know?

How on earth is it disrespectful? :/ You respect Pixel by crediting him as the creator of the game engine. Calling a mod a game is not disrespectful. It's truthful.

Game = Means you made it entirely yourself, or atleast that it's not based on another game.

No. Game = something created for the enjoyment of others – something that you play. A mod, then, is a game based on a game.

However if he sees someone refers to a mod as a "game based on Cave Story", he gets the true message. I don't think anyone has referred to a mod as a "game" without something preceeding or succeeding the term that mentions it to be a modification or the context had made the true meaning clear anyway.

Indeed, as I said, a mod is a game based on another game.

(I had a really long rant in the other thread, but I lost it, so you'll have to make do with my attempted resurrection of it.)

Because it could confuse noobs and it is incorrect. Also there is a huge difference between a game and a mod.

But it's not incorrect. Why can't you see that a mod is a game? Do you play a mod? If yes, then it's a game.

No, a game is not a mod and a mod is not a game. the only way it's a game is if you
A) created the game with a program such as MMF or MMF2
B) created the game from scratch as a standalone application
Whereas it's a mod if you
A) created the mod using a program designed to do so, such as Sue's Workshop or Miza
And it's a hack if you
A) edit the coding and script without a program designed to do so

All of the above are games. All of them. A mod is a game.

A mod may be a mod but by it's very nature it's still a game in and of itself. It might not be the original game, but it's still something that you play as a game. What else are you doing with a mod if you aren't playing it? The only way that a mod would not be a game is if they turned Cave Story into a word processor or something.

My reasoning exactly.

I thought of something:
How about a little modification makes it a mod, but more modification that makes the game at least obviously different to the original makes it right to call it a game. And of course, it's truly right or better to still call it a mod.

...Gwah? That makes no sense.

Lol I feel that it isn't right to call a mod a game cause if you call a simple mod a game, then that would put all those hard workers that made actual GAMES on the same level as us simple modders...

No, it doesn't. A mod is a game, but it's a specific type of game. It's less work than a full-fledged game complete with an engine, because you're taking the engine from another game, but it's still a game nevertheless.




In summary: A mod is a type of game which is based on the engine of another game.

*collapses from too much ranting*

 

Retarded argue threads like this shouldn't be stickied. They shouldn't even exist, its not a debate, your opinion does not matter.

A square is a rectangle, a rectangle is not a square. B is the right answer.

 

O_o I'll comment on the subject later, but I wanted to point out that you accidentally used "noobs" instead of "newbies".

No, seriously, "noob" is rather an offensive word whereas "newbie" is a simple reference to a new member.

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Newbie is a slang term for a newcomer to online gaming or an Internet activity. Newbies may be bullied by more experienced players of some games. The term is also used more broadly for newcomers to any activity where their inexperience puts them at a disadvantage. Although it is often derogatory, it need not be so and is sometimes used neutrally, without implying a value judgment. Not to be confused with "Noob" (see below).

..a "noob" usually refers to an experienced player who blatantly disregards rules and etiquette. Sometimes it can mean a player that is generally considered to be experienced, yet often makes mistakes or solecisms that would more likely be attributed to a "newb."

And I agree that a mod is a game. RPG Maker games use the RPG Maker engine without access to the source code yet they are considered games. Most commercial games are not made from scratch but are based upon an engine, the difference is that they have the source code and an entire team to work on it and mold it to their needs. Games made with game making programs are still classified as games despite being made without the source code and upon another engine.

 

And about confusing newbies, Garde, Kageryushin actually had a point. The title of your mod might confuse them just as well as saying "game", if not more.

 

But you should notice the "2"

 

But you should notice the "2"

Just as you should notice the edited game.

 

Whoa is this the new argue topic for the year?

Damn and to think I almost missed it.

brb getting a drink to watch the show.

 

wtf hey what do you say, Chad?

 

JUST THINK HOW MUCH TIME YOU WASTED ON THIS!!!

I KNOW!!!

Way too much... Plus I did the whole thing twice!

 

Retarded argue threads like this shouldn't be stickied. They shouldn't even exist, its not a debate

So then retarded forums shouldn't exist, because they are actually for arguing.

Also for switching opinions:

your opinion does not matter.

Now that was really uncalled for.

Whoa is this the new argue topic for the year?

Damn and to think I almost missed it.

brb getting a drink to watch the show.

Depends.
If the members are more intelligent now, then it will not produce a flame war.
With your comment, you only accomplish it.

 

I disagree with the definition "game based on another game" because that would mean new-engine remakes of popular games like Mario and Sonic are mods, not games.

I mean, put it like this, no matter how good Schism or Magic are, they won't be in acid-play's top-rated list because they are mods of Cave Story.

 

Now that was really uncalled for.

Sorry shiny but opinions don't effect facts. You can think 2+2=5 all you want, thats your opinion and your entitled to it. But it's wrong and doesn't matter.

And I guess its okay that this garbage thread is stickied if that'll keep it out of other places, i recall that not working on the retarded taking other peoples sprites / copyright arguments tho.

 

It isn't way correct to call that "retarded", that just another opinion
Actually people were sued for copyright things.

Of course opinions doesn't effect facts, but it's also a opinion whats a fact and whatnot.
Because if I say: "The Crowned Witch is done."
Then it's still a opinion and not a fact, because others may think different.

 

it's also a opinion whats a fact and whatnot.

Think about what you just said Shiny, think real hard. If what you just said was true there would be no such thing as facts, only opinions.

 

All I said was: It depends what you or others think, is a fact.
In discussions there are not many facts, since most of these are realtive to your own opinions.

 

Facts don't depend on what anyone think, facts depend on something being true. Thats it.

I'm going back to ignoring all your non-cave story posts.