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again, people keep talking about bugs, but they never report them
do you think I test my own software, cmon guys

 

As long as you don't use the shift map feature more then once before each save it's entirely as stable as CE if not more so. I think this might be related to the .pxa file deletion mystery

CE should only exist for those who are stranded with a PC that doesn't have java on it and no internet connection.

I don't get it, I used CE back when I was a n00b, but had no issues moving over to BL (aside not having the faces and sound effects shown when you type the TSC command).

 

It took me less than a week to get used to CE, I'm still trying to get used to BL. the main reason why I started with CE over BL is because there was a video tutorial on CE but at the time there wasn't enough of a tutorial on BL at the time

 

Why not add a CE skin like thing that allows BL to look and feel like CE, but with the features of BL.

 

BL is just CE with tabs
they are practically the same editor

 

BL is just CE with tabs
they are practically the same editor

Noxid, you of all people should know how finicky people are towards any UI changes in the slightest. You've really got no choice but to remake your tutorial video with BL if you want it to catch on, or else you're done in by your own hand.

 

Hey, two seperate editors are better than one!

I like the interface and feel of CE, but BL has a few more features that CE doesn't. Since the two don't conflict with each other, I can use CE and BL to my heart's desire, switching between them for whatever the occasion may be.

 

CE isn't bad, and I won't condemn its use because really it's stupid to bring down any of the two because they both work fine. Use what you want…

…but…

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- BL's UI design is so much more fun than boring CE.
- You can get some basic visualizer of the NPC's, so you don't have to decrypt names.
- There are so many BL features that I can't do in CE.
- There are practically no CE features (anymore) that BL can't do.
- It takes five seconds to open a text document and scroll to the value you need for a command, and compare this to typing in every number until the picture you are looking for pops up. Plus you can memorize parts of it (maybe it is just me, but I've got the <AM+ values down completely).
- Cats.
- I don't have to emulate a .exe file on my Macintosh.
- Is semi-actively updated.

 

Well, I find all the fun a bit distracting. If there could be a CE mode, I would most certainly use BL. I'm comfortable with the plain design, and it was easy to grip on to and there weren't to many choices in the beginning.

 

So "there's too many features" and "I'll only use BL if it's CE"?

 

see it's this attitude of active self-limitation that I'd like to be rid of by deprecating CE
I was asked for a reason to get rid of CE; the self-limiting attitudes indicated by some of the replies are my reasons

 

No, what I'm asking for is an option to make the editor simpler in apperence. Also, what I meant was a way for people who have been using CE to be introduced to the new features a bit at a time.

 

CE isn't bad, and I won't condemn its use because really it's stupid to bring down any of the two because they both work fine. Use what you want…
…but…

Spoiler

- It takes five seconds to open a text document and scroll to the value you need for a command, and compare this to typing in every number until the picture you are looking for pops up. Plus you can memorize parts of it (maybe it is just me, but I've got the <AM+ values down completely.)

I really hate it when I have to switch between 2 windows, its bad enough that I go through all that shit with org maker and synthesia. I know many things from memory, but the many more obscure commands I constantly forget.

Well, I find all the fun a bit distracting. If there could be a CE mode, I would most certainly use BL. I'm comfortable with the plain design, and it was easy to grip on to and there weren't to many choices in the beginning.

the interface is actually better in my opinion, and the additional features that BL has is definitely worth the effort of using(with the exception of when I use the physics hack, for some reason I can only make playable physics with carrotlord's program) the main reason why I use ce is because its practicle for small stuff.

 

how exactly do you propose to make it simpler
because really, I tried to make it as intuitive and easy to migrate as possible
In fact, I'll do a side-by-side comparison

main page

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Tileset editor

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NPC Editor

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TSC Editor

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Mapdata editor

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Hacking tools

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If u cant figure it out then maybe this interface would be more suited to you

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If you want less features, use BL V0.1

 

Thinking over it a little more, my only argument for CE was that people still use it (unlike SW when it was made defunct) and used myself as an example, but honestly the only reason I don't use BL is because I don't really think about using BL. CE is there on my taskbar and it's easy to open so I just use that most of the time. I am starting to feel that the only reason that CE is being used is because people are stubborn, and I think I will move on to BL permanently. So while I still don't think this is the same situation as comparing CE and SW, I think it would be better to start navigating modders towards the more powerful and not dead editor.

 

how exactly do you propose to make it simpler
because really, I tried to make it as intuitive and easy to migrate as possible

The main page is still a little overwhelming when you first open it up. All the panels for doing any map editing at all should be hidden until you have at least one map open, otherwise all these panels could be confusing to someone who sees them without even having a Cave Story exe/mod opened yet. And it's really important that this main page is the most intuitive/least intimidating, since this is where people are most likely to be scared off/jump ship.

 

The main page is still a little overwhelming when you first open it up. All the panels for doing any map editing at all should be hidden until you have at least one map open, otherwise all these panels could be confusing to someone who sees them without even having a Cave Story exe/mod opened yet. And it's really important that this main page is the most intuitive/least intimidating, since this is where people are most likely to be scared off/jump ship.

hehe, I remember when I first opened cave editor, I was horribly bombarded with information until I accidentally openned up a map

 

Could someone add the BOA command's thread to the first post's list, please?

 

So, I am currently trying to make my first mod. I decided to put a Kazuma NPC that would appear a short time after the game starts. I have the entity flag 0x0800 on the entity and the EntityID is 5000. The problem is that, whenever I start a game and the script below runs, he wont appear. I have constantly read and reread guides but I am still confused. Can somebody tell me whats wrong?



The script:

#0200
<FLJ5000:0000<KEY<CMU0000<MSGYou awake in an unfamiliar room.<WAI0120<NOD<CLO
<FAC0001<MSGWhere...<NOD
where the hell am I?<NOD<CLO<FAI0004<MNA<WAI0060<FL+5000<END

 

Did you check the wrong flag?