Eternal Chaos - Chapter 5 (20/01/08)

the snake weapons in the game?? i must of missed it, anyway nice mod except i dont like the fact there isnt a weapon selection just 1 weap, but beggars cant be choosers

XD

It isn't there YET, it will be the upcoming chapter.

Spoiler

However, there IS a secret weapon in the game, currently.
Found in Blaze before the blaze and given by Blaze. ;P

 

It isn't there YET, it will be the upcoming chapter.

Spoiler

However, there IS a secret weapon in the game, currently.
Found in Blaze before the blaze and given by Blaze. ;P

I think I know whatcha mean.
Kinda stumbled across a clue, albeit too late. Might check it out sometime.

 

I think it *might* be possible to keep the two characters' inventories separate (so they don't have to relevel after every switch). IIRC, the game stops looking for weapons after a weapon with a value of 0, so if you rearranged the order correctly and then put a value 0 weapon between them it you should be able to have the weapons existent, but unusable.

 

NUU I MISSED TEh SECRET WEAPON!

btw just a eh... hopeless question...

What is it an edit of? ._.?

 

I think it *might* be possible to keep the two characters' inventories separate (so they don't have to relevel after every switch). IIRC, the game stops looking for weapons after a weapon with a value of 0, so if you rearranged the order correctly and then put a value 0 weapon between them it you should be able to have the weapons existent, but unusable.

Can you define an instance in which this happens?

 

Can you define an instance in which this happens?

The only way I've been able to induce it so far is by editing a profile.dat and changing a weapon's type to zero.

Whether or not it's possible to do in a mod really comes down to how much you can change the ordering of the weapon list. I'm not really familiar with how much control you can have over that (I've only dabbled in modding), so I don't know if you're able to do this practically.

Here's a profile.dat file which has only the machinegun available to the player, but several other weapons hidden in slots 3-5 (in a zip, since geocities hates not knowing what an extension is)
http://www.geocities.com/the_krazy_arrow/hiddenweapProfile.zip

 

Here's a profile.dat file which has only the machinegun available to the player, but several other weapons hidden in slots 3-5

But then they're just "null"-weapons, some with ammo information. Hasn't the weapon you start with ("No Weapon") the value 0?

 

But then they're just "null"-weapons, some with ammo information. Hasn't the weapon you start with ("No Weapon") the value 0?

Each weapon slot stores the following information in profile.dat when you save:
weapon type (0=no weapon, any slots appearing after will also be empty)
level
experience
max ammo (0=unlimited)
current ammo

 

But then they're just "null"-weapons, some with ammo information. Hasn't the weapon you start with ("No Weapon") the value 0?

Well, the slot 2 is a null weapon. The data on the other slots is complete. The game just stops checking for weapons as soon as a slot with "no weapon" is found.

EDIT:
Having checked, I can doubly confirm this is the case. If you get a new weapon the game overwrites the null slot and all the old weapons reappear.

Anyway, the general idea I had is:
Char 1 has one weapon, the sword, and is being switched out for player 2 (who, say, has two weapons, the bubbler and machine gun, which are recorded in the last two slots, 4 and 5 [it's possible that there's more memory in the profile.dat for weapons, but I don't know for certain]). The sword is swapped with whatever weapon is in position 5 in the weapons list. Then weapon 4 is swapped with weapon 2 (which should be empty ATM). This ends up with the following weapons slots:
Bubbler| Machine Gun| Null| Also Null| Blade
The blade isn't seen by the player because the game goes to slot three and says "Oh, I don't need to keep looking". Rotation between the bubbler and machine gun acts as normal, and the blade is never swapped in.

When we want to switch back between the characters, we do the same procedure, which ends us up with
Blade|Also Null|Null|Machine Gun| Bubbler.

The problem is I don't know how much control you have over the player's inventory from scripts.

EDIT2: A more elaborate method follows, which assumes you can duplicate the weapon shifting functions of the A and S keys.
Initial loadout (N is null) A|N|B|C|D
A is the currently equipped weapon
Give weapon 6 (which is a dummy non-functioning weapon)
A|6|B|C|D
A is still the current weapon
shift weapons two to the left
B is the current weapon, order is
B|C|D|6|A
Replace weapon 6 with weapon 0 (using <TAM0000:0000:0000) -
B|C|D|N|A

The main flaw is that you have to know how many weapons are equipped at each point.

 

Wow ZTaimat, you're gonna have a hard time with your mod =S

Good luck ><

 

Nah, I don't HAVE to keep the weapons level'd after the switches. Afterall, the characters were KO'd, and their weapon taken for the time being. =P
Maybe I'll use it later on.

 

Nah, I don't HAVE to keep the weapons level'd after the switches. Afterall, the characters were KO'd, and their weapon taken for the time being. =P
Maybe I'll use it later on.

You probably need a cutscene, or something similar before the switches. If you play from the beginning (without a break between the chapters that is) you might find it a bit... odd. Because as soon as one gets KO'd, you begin with another. Even a oneliner would work wonders there.

 

Welp, I'm at a point where I'd LIKE to keep weapon exp, but I can't seem to be able to. <TAM only keeps track of ammo, not EXP, so I don't think I'm able to... Unless you could give me a script chunk to match what you said.

 

Well, the slot 2 is a null weapon. The data on the other slots is complete. The game just stops checking for weapons as soon as a slot with "no weapon" is found.

Thats what I said.

weapon type (0=no weapon, any slots appearing after will also be empty)

 

Thats what I said.

I was answering a slightly different question (about the profile.dat I posted). There was a very slight possibility that the game might resave the weapons after the first as being null. Fortunately, that's not the case.

 

Chapter 4 is out - download and play. (1st post)

Someone change the topic name to "Eternal Chaos - Chapter 4 (20/12/07)", please and thanks.

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Pretty short chapter this time, but fun, nontheless.

Slife - Give me an actual script in which your idea works, I can't seem to figure it out myself. (Soooo... it might not be possible via script, unless you can prove it)

 

What I'd love to know is:.. how exactly did I put the fires out...?

 

After the fire, talk to Shades to assure the fire was real (And get the map system back), then go talk with you. (You'll also get a life-fragment)

 

omfg zt gave spoilers
omfg zeshiro is posting

o.o

I couldn't really test for much bugs since I loaded the game from Chapter 3 with my Profile.dat from the last time. So, was there any difference or changes made in chapters 1 to 3? And suprising is not spelt with a z (suprizing). :/ Nothing major.

Dammit, I actually planned to use the Character Swapping thing in one of my future plots. >: Then I told Metalogz about it, and then he said he had the same idea. >.<

 

Dammit, I actually planned to use the Character Swapping thing in one of my future plots. >: Then I told Metalogz about it, and then he said he had the same idea. >.<

I also use it, its nothing special