CaveEditor again (beta, maybe alpha)

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What I said was:
As an admin users can't forbid you anything. "You hare no right to do that!" isn't valid here.

Saying "You have not right to do that!" is not forbidding you to do that, precisely. It's more like saying you shouldn't do it. You could also interpret it as asking you not to do that, though that's not really the intention behind the words.

I can, even if I wouldn't do that I could do it.
Because noone can stop you from doing that as an admin.

You see, this is where you're wrong. Sure, the general user can't stop you from doing that. However, another admin could stop you from doing that. Like I said earlier, being an administrator does not mean that you can do whatever you like.

But Lace was neither agreeing with you nor with me.

You may be right that he was not agreeing with me precisely, but he did have similar feelings to me on the matter. Or at least, it seemed like he did.

 

Hey Celtic! Hey S.P.!

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Take it somewheres else, mebbe?
The CaveEditor discussion/suggestion thread hardly seems the place to debate admin powers etc.

Just saying.

 

It's cooling down now anyway. @DB

@Celtic:

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Saying "You have not right to do that!" is not forbidding you to do that, precisely. It's more like saying you shouldn't do it. You could also interpret it as asking you not to do that, though that's not really the intention behind the words.

Translation error.
Either it's you interpreting it wrong, or it's the english language which is very different in meanings of words in this case compared to the german language.

You see, this is where you're wrong. Sure, the general user can't stop you from doing that. However, another admin could stop you from doing that. Like I said earlier, being an administrator does not mean that you can do whatever you like.

The other admin has more trust in the first admin than the user. Otherwise the whole forum stuff would be corrupt as hell. Plus you forget that the first admin always can eliminate his traces in the forums. If the user comes back and complains the first admin could say that the user lies and is just pissed off because he was getting banned, because noone can ever prove that the user is right. If the admin would be evil he could just change your account password and then uses a proxy logs in with your account and posts spam. A admin has all the powers to get rid of a user even if there is more than one. You just have to respect and trust the admins and be thankful that they are not acting like complete dicks.

You may be right that he was not agreeing with me precisely, but he did have similar feelings to me on the matter. Or at least, it seemed like he did.

Maybe it's just me but...
It doesn't seem that you post these similar feelings though.

 

Not everyone can be friends

Unfortunately, I'm going to join in the spoiler debate before it moves, just because I've been part of the source of the thing.....

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You have absolute no right to call yourself a senior member, even if you have a equal postnumber and activity, that's totally disrespectful to any senior member in the forums. And showing off with your postnumber and activity and saying: "OMG I HAVE MOAR POSTS THAN SENIOR MEMBERS LOLZ, MY E-PENIS IS THE BIGGEST" is not something I will countenance. The senior members decide if you're being helpful or not and if you are one of them or not, because they ARE the community and therefor the biggest part of the forum. A forum is a service that the admins provide you, but because they provide it to you, that doesn't mean they have to.

When have I ever bragged about my post count? I was merely pointing out how active I've been, how helpful and contributive, in the short time I've been here.
{That's something big, considering how many members we have that haven't been contributive at all, in the entirely that they've been here.}
And several 'senior' members find me helpful and accept me as an equal, wither you believe it or not.

And that's why I call for example Wistil, andwhyisit or Lace rather a senior member than Void. Void maybe made some helpful posts, but I don't see any social experience, FAQ's, some new stuff, a good demo of a mod or something, instead he is going to complain about senior members having "no respect", because they posted some softcore pseudo-pornograhic images.

No mod demos!?
Jeeze, you're not a very good admin if you don't know what's going on in your own forum.
I believe this is what you'd call a good demo of a mod. And the demo for this one's getting close to finishing.
I'm also helping around the Hacking/Modding forum often, very often.
You should go check around the forum more often, if you're going to use such claims.
And you heard what Sky said about those images ;D
{Have more respect for the other gender}

These things are much more helpful for the next generation of members than any helpful posts who are just growing into huge mountains of posts which noone of the newbies care to read/search anyway.

Um, I help 'newbs' all the time, some even joined because of things I've done.
People care, if you don't

The other admin has more trust in the first admin than the user. Otherwise the whole forum stuff would be corrupt as hell. Plus you forget that the first admin always can eliminate his traces in the forums. If the user comes back and complains the first admin could say that the user lies and is just pissed off because he was getting banned, because noone can ever prove that the user is right. If the admin would be evil he could just change your account password and then uses a proxy logs in with your account and posts spam. A admin has all the powers to get rid of a user even if there is more than one. You just have to respect and trust the admins and be thankful that they are not acting like complete dicks.

And you wonder why I don't have much respect for you....
Heheh...

 

@Void:

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When have I ever bragged about my post count? I was merely pointing out how active I've been, how helpful and contributive, in the short time I've been here. {That's something big, considering how many members we have that haven't been contributive at all, in the entirely that they've been here.}
And several 'senior' members find me helpful and accept me as an equal, wither you believe it or not.

Now if that isn't bregging. "Look at me I'm more contributive and better than members who are longer here than me!" I'm kinda fed up with your arrogance.
If I wouldn't be an admin, you would be the first one on my ignore list.

No mod demos!?
Jeeze, you're not a very good admin if you don't know what's going on in your own forum.
I believe this is what you'd call a good demo of a mod. And the demo for this one's getting close to finishing.
I'm also helping around the Hacking/Modding forum often, very often.
You should go check around the forum more often, if you're going to use such claims.

I'm checking the forums often enough, thank you.
I know that mod, but I have a different taste, thank you again.
I know how you help around the forums, like debating over everything and tell newbies that they can screw theirselfes and go to search a little bit.

And you heard what Sky said about those images ;D

He only said that one image wasn't suitable.
But now that you're talking about that, I think I will talk about this with him again in the admin forums some time.

Have more respect for the other gender

Oh really? My gf has never complained also noone of my female friends ever had. What has porn to do with respect? You should respect the artist of the image and the image as a work of art.

Um, I help 'newbs' all the time, some even joined because of things I've done.
People care, if you don't

First you flame all the newbies and now you're acting like you're their biggest hero. I'm really getting sick of this. Next time I will see you flaming a new member you will get atleast a warning.

And you wonder why I don't have much respect for you....
Heheh...

I was just pointing out possibilities.
You should show some respect for the authorities, otherwise you're kinda asking for it.

 

Again, I reitterate: These matters are personal. Take it up in private, if you'd be so kind.

@ SP: Noone is perfect, and while I have a lot of respect for you as both a friend and as an adminstator, your exchange of words is lacking a certain maturity I sort of expect. Not to say you're not entitled to disagree or dislike an individual, but this hardly seems like the place for it.

@ Lowell: Again, Lowell, I like you. You can be irritating an a little arrogant, but it's nothing too far beyond what I can handle. However, arguing with an admin is foolhardy, and while SP is not the type to ban you for disagreeing with him, there is nothing stopping him from doing so if he so chooses. You're a good guy, but you're probably not the most popular. Don't push your luck too much; few people are as forgiving.

To steer this back on topic...
I've been fiddling with some entities and I've come to realize that yes, adding entities en-masse would be awesome.

 

Again, I reitterate: These matters are personal. Take it up in private, if you'd be so kind.

Yeh that's probably what Skyewelse would say.

Noone is perfect, and while I have a lot of respect for you as both a friend and as an adminstator, your exchange of words is lacking a certain maturity I sort of expect.

Yeah I guess you're right. Maybe my words are lacking maturity but his behavior isn't something I would expect from a mature member too.

Not to say you're not entitled to disagree or dislike an individual, but this hardly seems like the place for it.

It's a public forum, everyone can disagree or dislike anyone here, but maybe it's too much of a flamewar now.

 

It's a public forum, everyone can disagree or dislike anyone here, but maybe it's too much of a flamewar now.

Yeah, it is a public forum, but flaming is never required activity.

So we can end this on the following conclusions:
SP doesn't like VML.
VML doesn't like SP.
Celtic disagrees with SP's methods.
DragonBoots doesn't give a crap.
DragonBoots likes SP.
DragonBoots tolerates likes VML.
DragonBoots likes respects Celtic.

 

Hm....

Yeah, probably should swap to PMs or something....
*Sends the last bit of his argument over a PM*

Anyways, I don't remember it getting mentioned yet, and it's not listed in the fixes, so...
....What's up with the Save and Run in Cave Editor? Did you ever figure out the problem, or was it scrapped? T.T

 

Well yeah.
So.
Everyone who wants to continue this debate just PM me or something.
It's good that you don't have to agree with any other member or admin. Because that's the freedom our forum has.
You know, the hardest part of beeing an admin, can be not to ban the members that disagree with you, or delete their posts, that's just what I was trying to point out
I know these methods from other forums and that's what makes me kinda angry, so I never wanted to be like these admins. Even if someone makes personal attacks he maybe has his reason. (Normal members not trolls) But if you're going to far you're kinda asking for a warning or a ban.
I was just trying to point out that beeing an admin isn't always that easy.
Even the admins can learns some things

So I apologize to Wistil and the ones who want to talk about CE.

 

DragonBoots likes respects Celtic.

Well, thank you.

 

Can we have a mass delete/mass add functions?
Especially mass delete maps.

 

Have gotten much of anything done. Wading through 3 pages of a thread for some content can make a person tired. Hopefully we're through the woods now...

I haven't actually looked at NPC's much, but if its anything like weapons, it should be a series of commands:

MOV [EBP-40],<frame 1 left bound>
MOV [EBP-3C],<frame 1 top bound>
MOV [EBP-38],<frame 1 right bound>
MOV [EBP-34],<frame 1 bottom bound>
MOV [EBP-30],<frame 2 left bound>
etc.

Which in hex would be (with a semi-regex type syntax)

C7(85<4 bytes detemining offset from EBP>|45<1 byte determining offset from EBP>)<4 bytes determining frame rect>

If I were doing this, I wouldn't search through all 350 or so entities manually, but since the location of the NPC code is all known, start searching for a pattern similar to the one I posted (making sure, of course, that the pattern holds for NPC's as well as weapons) then have some sort of parser to read the values when the pattern is found. As a bonus, it would even be assembly hacking friendly, because if you decided to move the frame rect instructions, it could still be edited by CE.

Also, I have yet to encounter and MOV [EBP-x],constant instructions outside of the frame rects, but that doesn't mean they aren't their. Could possibly be the source of a nasty bug.

QFT: All very true dooey all of the bound rects have been in that form that I recall seeing. I even have some basic disassembly code that points to the beginning of the NPC code. The real trick is if someone modifies an entity and changes the way that the rects are written (which could be done to free up some space) which could cause serious problems but I guess I shouldn't worry about that. Then I just need a good way to let people select which frame they want displayed for each entity.

Can we have a mass delete/mass add functions?
Especially mass delete maps.

Mass delete might be helpful but how often do you really need to delete a whole bunch of maps?
Also mass add seems a bit silly to me. Yeah you may need to create a bunch of maps but generally you need to setup the parameters for each one before you create the next. You know... things like tileset, size, etc.


All in all, I'm trying to focus on things that people either would use a lot, things people change multiple times, or things causing lots of wasted time.

 

Have gotten much of anything done. Wading through 3 pages of a thread for some content can make a person tired. Hopefully we're through the woods now...

QFT: All very true dooey all of the bound rects have been in that form that I recall seeing. I even have some basic disassembly code that points to the beginning of the NPC code. The real trick is if someone modifies an entity and changes the way that the rects are written (which could be done to free up some space) which could cause serious problems but I guess I shouldn't worry about that. Then I just need a good way to let people select which frame they want displayed for each entity.


Mass delete might be helpful but how often do you really need to delete a whole bunch of maps?
Also mass add seems a bit silly to me. Yeah you may need to create a bunch of maps but generally you need to setup the parameters for each one before you create the next. You know... things like tileset, size, etc.


All in all, I'm trying to focus on things that people either would use a lot, things people change multiple times, or things causing lots of wasted time.

Mass add doesn't only apply to maps, what about entities, or tiles?

What about the fix for my:
'Doukutsu.exe is not a valid Win32 application.'

 

he can't fix it, cause it's a problem on YOUR side.
go fix it.

 

Mass add doesn't only apply to maps, what about entities, or tiles?

In all honesty, mass add of anything other than tiles wouldn't be very useful. The ability to copy and paste entities would be useful though.

 

Eh...

Actually, there's already a mass add tile function, the Fill tool...
It's pretty helpful for areas like inside a cave, you 'dig' the level out, or to fill in a bunch of background tiles at once or something similar....
You can even fill with multiable tiles at once, it'll just fill in with the pattern of what you selected.

 

I was just saying that mass add of anything else wouldn't be very useful.

What about a simple search-and-replace-all feature? Like, replace all instances of tile X with tile Y?

A rectangle tool would be useful (is there one?). Like the Fill tool, except only the border of th rectangle is changed.

 

Maybe an Empty Map feature?
Just click on it from a menu and the map turns into a black space devoid of entities or solid ground.

 

Maybe an Empty Map feature?
Just click on it from a menu and the map turns into a black space devoid of entities or solid ground.

With an "Are you sure you want to do this?" alert box.