Difference between Mods and Games

ZOMG I'm racing you and ris XD XD

o_O well your gonna pass me, i havnt been posting as much as i used to ^^; i think i just decided not to post half the crap i did awhile back

He left shortly after the Forum Mod thread died. He only joined to show off his writing skills anyway (no seriously, go back and read his first/second post)

yeah it was aimed at me first >_>;

 

First one was regarding SP's "hypocrisy", second was bitching about The Crowned Witch.
He left shortly after the Forum Mod thread died. He only joined to show off his writing skills anyway (no seriously, go back and read his first/second post), and once realized he couldn't be a dick to everyone he probably just got bored and left.

You are wrong about when he left.

Also, despite the flamebaiting he was giving constructive criticism about the mod. He didn't say something like "This mod sucks", he listed the things he considered to be wrong with the mod, which is what is called constuctive criticism since it is usually meant to tell the creators what they need to improve on. Sadly the flamebaiting made SP interpret it as "This mod sucks". Even worse was that no-one ever bothered to read his posts and took SP's word for it, which is a bloody shame since you can tell his writing skills just by reading one of his posts, he puts the effort in and takes everything into consideration before posting. Personally I found him to be the voice of intelligence amongst a bunch of people who only assume they know what is going on after only reading the last page or just glossing over it.

Oh, and regarding "Earth" being written in cave story, does it say the same thing in the Japanese text? Translators make mistakes too you know.

 

You are wrong about when he left.

No I am not. I freaking went into his profile and checked his last posts to make sure I wasn't in case somebody decided to correct me on it. He basically took over that thread I made and though he did ask for opinions he still wanted to make the game the way he'd though it up. He hasn't been online since April 10 and his posts after February (which is when, oddly enough, the thread died) are few and far between. Maybe his internet died or something, but he still hasn't exactly made an effort to pop back in.

Also, despite the flamebaiting he was giving constructive criticism about the mod. He didn't say something like "This mod sucks", he listed the things he considered to be wrong with the mod, which is what is called constuctive criticism since it is usually meant to tell the creators what they need to improve on.

"This Mod is just plain terrible. It has so many gigantic flaws… Where do I begin!?"
"What. The. Hell. Are. You. Thinking?"
"Needless to say, this is a horrible trait."
"You have, in essence, taken Cave Story, cloned it, ripped its soul out and given it so much plastic surgery that it doesn’t even feel like Cave Story anymore."
"Unless you can somehow salvage anything decent from this pile of garbage, this Mod is a failure."

Yyyyyup. He didn't say "the mod sucked" at all.
He did make mention of some things that could be improved upon, I'm not denying that, although some of his arguments were shaky. But he did NOT sound AT ALL like he actually wanted to see the mod improved, which is what constructive criticism really is. It was DEstructive criticism, still criticism but with intention of beating it down, ignoring the fact that it's still one of the better mods on the site. How would YOU like it if someone jumped in on something you'd spent hundreds of hours on and called it a nigh-un-salvageable failure? (And that's exactly what it says, don't tell me I'm projecting.) Flamebaiting and saying "this mod sucks" fall into the exact same category anyway, so I can't see how he can be doing one and not the other.

Sadly the flamebaiting made SP interpret it as "This mod sucks". Even worse was that no-one ever bothered to read his posts and took SP's word for it, which is a bloody shame since you can tell his writing skills just by reading one of his posts, he puts the effort in and takes everything into consideration before posting. Personally I found him to be the voice of intelligence amongst a bunch of people who only assume they know what is going on after only reading the last page or just glossing over it.

Well perhaps I just don't know shit about the way people behave but usually if they're trying to be helpful rather than just rude they will make some small effort to not sound like a total dick. If he had made any effort to point out something he liked about it or had acted like he had read any portion of the thread he had posted in I wouldn't have jumped him. But I have seen so many different cases of people deliberately bashing games without looking for a single good thing in them (hi there Chrono Cross/Earthbound) and that was NO different. Maybe I've just been spending too much time on GameFAQs. I'm not saying SP can't be a hypocrite sometimes or that's he's always right, in fact I don't agree with what he's been saying in this thread at all really, but he had every right to get mad over this. Admittedly myself and others could have read into it more, but oddly enough, a lot of people don't actually enjoy reading things that are so overly negative and simply take it that the person in question is being a jerk, which in 9/10 cases they are. In almost any other forum he would have been banned for his insolence long before that point anyway, so I can't see what you're still complaining about in terms of 'unfairness'.

 

His first flamewar was about this very subject of mods and games. But he began the flames from the very first post and that's not funny coz the other guy's likely to answer in flames without reading the post >.>

His second was a lame rewiew to Crowned O_o

Whatever, but he did have a lot of points to add even in the CS is/not Earth discussion. Accusing him of just trolling is absurd, because you prolly haven't read all his posts, DT.

"This Mod is just plain terrible. It has so many gigantic flaws… Where do I begin!?"
"What. The. Hell. Are. You. Thinking?"
"Needless to say, this is a horrible trait."
"You have, in essence, taken Cave Story, cloned it, ripped its soul out and given it so much plastic surgery that it doesn’t even feel like Cave Story anymore."
"Unless you can somehow salvage anything decent from this pile of garbage, this Mod is a failure."

Yyyyyup. He didn't say "the mod sucked" at all.
He did make mention of some things that could be improved upon, I'm not denying that, although some of his arguments were shaky. But he did NOT sound AT ALL like he actually wanted to see the mod improved, which is what constructive criticism really is. It was DEstructive criticism, still criticism but with intention of beating it down, ignoring the fact that it's still one of the better mods on the site. How would YOU like it if someone jumped in on something you'd spent hundreds of hours on and called it a nigh-un-salvageable failure? (And that's exactly what it says, don't tell me I'm projecting.) Flamebaiting and saying "this mod sucks" fall into the exact same category anyway, so I can't see how he can be doing one and not the other.

That's funny coz in a couple of mod threads you'll find people like MetaLogz, who actually opposed Kager, saying "this mod sucks" WITHOUT supplementing it with constructive criticism and I don't see you attacking them. Is it because Kager was a new member who already had a bit of a record, or because it was a mod you liked that he picked on?


And you shouldn't keep this up especially since he isn't here to defend himself, and I know he can do it a lot better than me or andwhy.

Not to mention that I'm sique of arguing this kinda stuff for the mo.

@ andwhy



I'm on it.
Seriously. And yeah, CS Liters, this is doom text.

 

Whatever, but he did have a lot of points to add even in the CS is/not Earth discussion. Accusing him of just trolling is absurd, because you prolly haven't read all his posts, DT.

This had nothing to do with that, this is only in reference to the Crowned Witch thread. And no I have not read ALL of his posts and I hope you don't expect me to every time this comes up. And I was in that thread a lot too and I don't remember him saying much. Or maybe you mean the Science of Cave Story thread where he gave DB this wonderful insight. Or maybe I'm just bitter because I try to post politely and conscientiously and half the time people just seem to ignore me.

That's funny coz in a couple of mod threads you'll find people like MetaLogz, who actually opposed Kager, saying "this mod sucks" WITHOUT supplementing it with constructive criticism and I don't see you attacking them. Is it because Kager was a new member who already had a bit of a record, or because it was a mod you liked that he picked on?


And you should keep this up especially since he isn't here to defend himself, and I know he can do it a lot better than me or andwhy.

Megalotz is a nice kid, when did he say anything bad? And if you mean Jacob or jcys(?) or ZT or whatever you cannot honestly tell me that they act the same way he did. Usually I would assume they aren't even being serious, which is why they don't apply any real criticism. If they were I would probably step in and try to defend the mod's creator if someone else didn't do it first, and I can think of no time where that has really happened. Or maybe I wouldn't because people seem to get pissed off whenever I try to defend somebody. There has NEVER been another member like Kag in my time here (2 years or so now). The only member I can think of that stirs up trouble a bit now is Jacob, but he usually apologises and can only dream of being as obnoxious as Kag was.
And don't play that card on me, I've been using examples of EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID and I've pointed out all my shortcomings AND yours which everyone seems to conveniently ignore every time this comes up. I'm not trying to start an argument/flame war since he's not even here and I don't really care that much about what happened in general anymore, I just can't see why you persist with this 'constructive' bullshit. I'm sorry I even brought it up, but Andwhy asked what happened and why he left so I told him. I might have been a bit harsh, but it still seems to me like he lost interest after the forum mod thread went away, whereas before that he was VERY active in it and also somewhat overbearing when it came to plot details. And again, I direct you to his first posts >_>

 

If it explains what you think is wrong rather than "OMG this sucks" then it is constructive criticism. He explained what he liked about it a hated about it, he just never bothered to sugar coat his own opinions. I even remember him saying himself that he intended it as constructive criticism, could be wrong but I am 87% sure.

Though of all the members here you hold the biggest grudge against Kageryushin. Why?

 

This had nothing to do with that, this is only in reference to the Crowned Witch thread. And no I have not read ALL of his posts and I hope you don't expect me to every time this comes up. And I was in that thread a lot too and I don't remember him saying much. Or maybe you mean the Science of Cave Story thread where he gave DB this wonderful insight. Or maybe I'm just bitter because I try to post politely and conscientiously and half the time people just seem to ignore me.


Megalotz is a nice kid, when did he say anything bad? And if you mean Jacob or jcys(?) or ZT or whatever you cannot honestly tell me that they act the same way he did. Usually I would assume they aren't even being serious, which is why they don't apply any real criticism. If they were I would probably step in and try to defend the mod's creator if someone else didn't do it first, and I can think of no time where that has really happened. Or maybe I wouldn't because people seem to get pissed off whenever I try to defend somebody. There has NEVER been another member like Kag in my time here (2 years or so now). The only member I can think of that stirs up trouble a bit now is Jacob, but he usually apologises and can only dream of being as obnoxious as Kag was.
And don't play that card on me, I've been using examples of EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID and I've pointed out all my shortcomings AND yours which everyone seems to conveniently ignore every time this comes up. I'm not trying to start an argument/flame war since he's not even here and I don't really care that much about what happened in general anymore, I just can't see why you persist with this 'constructive' bullshit.

1. You yourself said he came here just to show off his language and whatnot, so I thought it appropriate to tell you he DID have his positive inputs. And, no, we don't ignore you. Sorry if we made you think that way :<

2. Never said he wasn't. In fact, you could well add me and DB to that list (although I dunno where ZT comes in). I mean this thread. When we were all fighting with the modder for copyright. ZT said it was crap and MetaLogz didn't oppose it, and said he agreed. And you weren't there when Montmorency was around, he stirred up a lotta trouble there. Most of the time Kageryushin had a good reason to say what he wanted to although he could've kept the flames down. This guy was way worse, but later he apologised and it settled down.

3. Er... I didn't get what you said there, could you rephrase it a bit? I'll just say that he was frank and honest about what he thought, although he was rude. Yeah, so if I were to go against him I'd argue as hard as I did with Garde, but wouldn't dream to report or request a ban on him.

 

2. Never said he wasn't. In fact, you could well add me and DB to that list (although I dunno where ZT comes in). I mean this thread. When we were all fighting with the modder for copyright. ZT said it was crap and MetaLogz didn't oppose it, and said he agreed. And you weren't there when Montmorency was around, he stirred up a lotta trouble there. Most of the time Kageryushin had a good reason to say what he wanted to although he could've kept the flames down. This guy was way worse, but later he apologised and it settled down.

Yeah I remember now. When I heard that I was like "WTF?".

 

And you weren't there when Montmorency was around, he stirred up a lotta trouble there.

What yes I was, I even posted on that page you linqued I don't post all the time on everything but I'm still on here every day.

3. Er... I didn't get what you said there, could you rephrase it a bit?

I was referring to where you said "And you shouldn't keep this up especially since he isn't here to defend himself, and I know he can do it a lot better than me or andwhy."

If it explains what you think is wrong rather than "OMG this sucks" then it is constructive criticism. He explained what he liked about it a hated about it, he just never bothered to sugar coat his own opinions. I even remember him saying himself that he intended it as constructive criticism, could be wrong but I am 87% sure.

He might have intended it to be constructive, I don't know, but I'm telling you it wasn't. It was still criticism but the language it uses and the lack of good points mentioned is clearly destructive. It makes mention of ONE good thing:
"The lightning effect for enemy appearances was kind of good, but it’s choppy and the enemies usually just end up appearing before the lightning even strikes, making it just plain worthless."
He himself states that the one good thing he mentioned doesn't even matter. 'Constructive criticism' isn't just a general term for any criticism, the 'constructive' part has meaning. "OMG this sucks" doesn't fall under any style of criticism because it's only a generalised statement (and also just stupid). I would have even been willing to support him if he'd been nicer since I agree with some of the things he said, but frankly agreeing with that post would have made me feel like shit.
EDIT: Actually I think he did admit a couple of more constructive things afterwards, but only after I started to argue with him. That post itself is still the same as I explained it.

Though of all the members here you hold the biggest grudge against Kageryushin. Why?

It is more that he is the ONLY member I have a grudge against, as he is the ONLY member on these forums that I have ever disliked actively. As I said earlier there has been nobody else like him for as long as I've been here. I have no/very few personal issues with anybody else because they can usually manage to keep a civil enough tongue in their heads and make a point of being obvious/clear about whether they are being serious or not. Also I really cannot stand people when they are that obnoxious (yes he wasn't all the time, but obnoxiousness isn't exactly something you can just 'stop doing' spontaneously.)

 

What yes I was, I even posted on that page you linqued I don't post all the time on everything but I'm still on here every day.


I was referring to where you said "And you shouldn't keep this up especially since he isn't here to defend himself, and I know he can do it a lot better than me or andwhy."


He might have intended it to be constructive, I don't know, but I'm telling you it wasn't. It was still criticism but the language it uses and the lack of good points mentioned is clearly destructive. It makes mention of ONE good thing:
"The lightning effect for enemy appearances was kind of good, but it’s choppy and the enemies usually just end up appearing before the lightning even strikes, making it just plain worthless."
He himself states that the one good thing he mentioned doesn't even matter. 'Constructive criticism' isn't just a general term for any criticism, the 'constructive' part has meaning. "OMG this sucks" doesn't fall under any style of criticism because it's only a generalised statement (and also just stupid). I would have even been willing to support him if he'd been nicer since I agree with some of the things he said, but frankly agreeing with that post would have made me feel like shit.


It is more that he is the ONLY member I have a grudge against, as he is the ONLY member on these forums that I have ever disliked actively. As I said earlier there has been nobody else like him for as long as I've been here. I have no/very few personal issues with anybody else because they can usually manage to keep a civil enough tongue in their heads and make a point of being obvious/clear about whether they are being serious or not. Also I really cannot stand people when they are that obnoxious (yes he wasn't all the time, but obnoxiousness isn't exactly something you can just 'stop doing' spontaneously.)

1. Oro? So you didn't completely miss the most justified 1 on 1000 flamewar on this forum.

2. Most of whatever you've been saying here has been through in the Crowned thread, so 90% of this argument is a repitition, and judging by that I can say this is pointless, because that argument sure was.

3. Well, it depends on his opinion on the mod really. Possibly he might not have thought there were enough good points worthy of mention (he said this himself). Opinions do vary and there'll always be a lad somewhere who thinks anime suck.
And his whole post wasn't "OMG this sucks", it was a lot more constructive. Consider a mod that changes only one block in the entire game (courtesy, freezit). You're more likely to be "WTF you suck" rather than "OMG that block was SOOO KAWAII!!". I'm not comparing SP's mod to a one block change, I'm pointing out that often you dislike something enough to not notice anything good in it.

4. Agreeable. I didn't like his rudeness either and I did argue with him about it. I'm defending him here because one trait isn't enough to dislike a person.


Now how the fuck did Kageryushin turn up in this discussion anyway?

 

Because I keep in contact with him. Somewhat. On YouTube. =O

 

Because I keep in contact with him. Somewhat. On YouTube. =O

Oro? He's active there? You can ask him why he doesn't post, can't you? ._.

 

Don't tell him to come back or I'll ban you -_-"

 

Don't tell him to come back or I'll ban you -_-"

Nah, he's been rather polite after the flamewar.

That last argument really hurt his self-esteem.

 

And his whole post wasn't "OMG this sucks", it was a lot more constructive.

I didn't say it was, I was referring to Andwhy's use of it in his post.
Delicious confusions.

 

Nah, he's been rather polite after the flamewar.

That last argument really hurt his self-esteem.

I now know why you think that I'm rude, because you don't get my jokes

 

4. Agreeable. I didn't like his rudeness either and I did argue with him about it. I'm defending him here because one trait isn't enough to dislike a person.

Agreed.

Nah, he's been rather polite after the flamewar.

That last argument really hurt his self-esteem.

I can personally confirm that.

Now how the fuck did Kageryushin turn up in this discussion anyway?

Better than Pseudo-Earth vs Earth debates anyway.

Oh and btw, Kageryushin has made compliments before about Mods as well saying the things he liked about the mod and why.

I now know why you think that I'm rude, because you don't get my jokes

Use "j/k" or "" or something that gets the joking aspect across. Also it is a bad idea to make banning jokes when you are a moderator, no-one would want to take the chance that you are being serious. Hope this helps.

 

I can personally confirm that.

Fine then, I'll take your word for it.
Now, methinks this thread be needing a new direction... I got no ideas though ._.

 

Yeah, I only make banning jokes when I'm secretly considering it! XD

 

Use "j/k" or "" or something that gets the joking aspect across. Also it is a bad idea to make banning jokes when you are a moderator, no-one would want to take the chance that you are being serious. Hope this helps.

But I like sarcasm and irony.

Serious? D: [edit]! This is the [editing] internet, nothing is serious here D:
Plus I hate people who are way too serious