Best Tools for Modding

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I've never really thought much about this, but I think that's why i've stuck around all these years. I've met some great people on this forum, for sure, and I probably owe my interest and development in art to some of the regulars here who've backed me up from the start.
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I /guess/ paint isn't impossible to use but there are so many other programs out there with way more functionality.

 

Paint is good enough for sprite editing, just remember to save it as a 24-bit bitmap. The colors won't become corrupted that way.

Exactly why you shouldn't use paint. An adaptive 8-bit palette is better than paint's habit of forcing an irrelevant palette down your throat. Plus 24-bit breaks mod ports, ramps up the filesize of your mod, and is simply the lazy way to go about it. Pixel went with 8-bit palettes all the way and never had a problem.

 

MS Paint is awful. The colour picker is annoying. The tools are lacking. You can't change how far you zoom - you can only zoom in or out once. There are no layers. I think it also defaults to saving in JPEG.
MS Paint 7 has fixed a few of these problems but it's still terrible in general and you have no reason not to download a program that is infinitely better

(a) If you click and hold with the color picker, you can see a preview color on the left pane

(b) You can zoom up to 16x, I think. (It might only be 8x, I'm not on a great computer to check right now)

(c) It defaults to bmp, what you're thinking of is...

(d) Windows 7 paint sucks balls, and let me count the ways:

Firstly, Windows VISTA paint added some functionalities to XP's paint that are seldom mentioned by people who never used paint to begin with. It added a cropping tool, cleaned up a lot of functions, and make things generally better while keeping the same interface design.

Windows 7 paint kept these functions, but added more redundant ones:

- The default save type is jpg

- If you try to load an 8-bit image, it often screws up the color palette royally

- The line and other shape tools add the feature of forcing bullets on the ends and middle to let you resize the line. This is a problem because the selective area around each node is at least twice as wide on either side from the line itself, which means it is tedious as all hell to draw lines next to one another.

- The zoom function, despite only reaching 8x, does additive zooming percents (+100% each), because we all know how much you like working at 700% zoom.

- Shortcut keys aside, you have to swap to an entirely separate ribbon just to zoom or add gridlines


TLDR; If you absolutely must use MSPaint, for the love of fuck and a half, do NOT use Windows 7 paint. Use Windows Vista paint - it has a crop tool too.

 

Graphics Gale, it's designed for pixel art. The ui elements take a bit to get used to but it's color replacing tool and a few other things about it are pretty great. The selling point on it for me is that the grid lines can be put up into 8x8, 16x16, 32x32, and 64x64. It's a nice program for such.

 

Graphics Gale, it's designed for pixel art. The ui elements take a bit to get used to but it's color replacing tool and a few other things about it are pretty great. The selling point on it for me is that the grid lines can be put up into 8x8, 16x16, 32x32, and 64x64. It's a nice program for such.

PS the gridlines are fully customizable, as in you can enter in any amount for them (32x40, 123x2, whatever you want)

 

Exactly why you shouldn't use paint. An adaptive 8-bit palette is better than paint's habit of forcing an irrelevant palette down your throat. Plus 24-bit breaks mod ports, ramps up the filesize of your mod, and is simply the lazy way to go about it. Pixel went with 8-bit palettes all the way and never had a problem.

Okay. Sorry, my bad. All I'm saying is that it works fine for me. Everyone has their own tastes.
But just take a look at my username before you scold me, okay?

 

Having a certain name does not give you exemption from advice (or "scolding" as you phrase it)

 

If anything, it invites it.

 

Having a certain name does not give you exemption from advice (or "scolding" as you phrase it)

Being so picky does not exempt you from punctuation.

That was not 'advice', as you phrase it. It was scolding for having a unique taste. And why are you so much against paint? It's good enough. Paint.net is for picky and choosy people like you who need unnecessary complications for graphics slightly better. Paint is for people who want simple, easy graphics which are good enough to play with.
And no, I will not end my clash with you until some third party asks for peace.

 

That was not 'advice', as you phrase it. It was scolding for having a unique taste.

"You shouldn't use X, because of Y" is not scolding. Scolding is "Shame on you for using X!".

And why are you so much against paint?

Did you not read their posts where they said "This is why paint is a bad program, and this is why (insert program name here) is a better program that you should be using." ?

Did you even read before you posted, or did you just see "Paint sucks" and decided to reply with "quit scolding me!" as fast as you could?

At the very least you seem to be living up to your redundant username of "IdioticIdiot".

 

Why do you think I have such a username?
And what I'm trying to say is paint is not as bad as they are saying.
Lastly, GIRakaCHEEZER, would you mind telling me what your username means?

 

There are just so many things wrong with what you're saying
I'm not trying to start a fight with you I just wanted to explain to you that no one is giving you shit for anything but they are giving their opinion and using it to prove their point

And as you would have seen by this entire thread paint is as bad as they say

 

Why do you think I have such a username?
And what I'm trying to say is paint is not as bad as they are saying.
Lastly, GIRakaCHEEZER, would you mind telling me what your username means?

1. He is fluent in Japanese and knows that baka means idiot.
2. We're well aware that that is what you're trying to say. However, we disagree.
3. His name is GIR also-known-as CHEEZER.
4. Check your profile comments, as I've left a message for you that should be beneficial, but you seem to be unaware of its existence.

 

If all of you don't like paint, fine. There's nothing I can do to help you.
I am not putting anything after this in this thread.

 

"mspaint is not as bad as they are saying"

"help us"

 

Paint would be great if it supported saving adaptive 8-bit palettes, but this flaw ensures that I have to open the file in another program to save it without destroying the colours. In such a case why bother even opening paint when you'll need another program to save it for you. I would love to use paint if its palette handling wasn't so utterly broken. That's it. Nothing else.

 

jpg compression in MSPaint is also beyond shitty and not parameterisable.
it does not handle transparency, let alone the alpha channel.
as said before, palette is not adaptive which is basically useless.

also some (a lot of) other quirks that are basically lacks of features, but i don't see those as problems since MSPaint aims to be very simple.

I have nothing against MSPaint when I want to make really simple things, I use it very often and I like it. But in most of the cases where you have to actually make something relevant (like editing Cave Story graphics) and not just doodles for fun, you are going to spend enough time working on it so that using a better (in absolutely every way) editor like Paint.NET (i'm not recommending GIMP because i hate its GUI) becomes more relevant than MSPaint's motto, that is simplicity.

Furthermore, since we are talking about editing Cave Story graphics, we can say that MSPaint isn't up to the task, and that is not a matter of personal taste. Don't use MSPaint for CS, it screws your palette up. Period.

 

But I have a problem that I'm stumped on for awhile. How can I make it so that the paint bucket (Paint.NET) doesen't cover the WHOLE DAMN THING?

 

are you trying to fill a surface in an empty layer
because that's what happens

if not then maybe your tolerance is too high

 

Mr.MagicDoors, would you mind using simpler language? I can't really understand you.

I'm sorry if I'm annoying. I was just trying to say that Paint is decent enough for beginners doing simple things, and I agree that if you want a more professional quality, you should use more advanced tools like Paint.net. I guess I was a bit short-tempered, and I shouldn't have been so rude. But as the Quran says at 3:159, to forgive and forget is the best kind of manners. I'm really sorry and I hope no one holds a grudge against me because of this. Could all of you pretty please (with sugar on top) forgive me?

(And, who drew that little light blue cup of magical beverage? It's very cute!)