What should I trade my Polar Star for?

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We don't know whether Alex Ross is of age or not, so let's keep this pg-13.

 

What's the general consensus on which gun is the best? I'm not very interested in the Snake, and I haven't seen the Charge Shot yet, so basically I was wondering if the Machine Gun is a better choice than the CS.

I'm not much of a Snake user, either, but my opinion is nearly identical to Roonil Wazlib's post below yours on the 1st page.


I would definitely recommend the Machine Gun, as Roonil Wazlib already explained. It does decent enough damage and has a 'hidden' 2nd purpose...

Spoiler

If it's powered up to the 3rd level, you can boost yourself higher with every shot you fire downwards while you're in midair! It's also helpful around certain dangerous spots if your Booster runs out of juice and there's nowhere safe to land... It can really save your life as long as it remains at Lv. 3.

On the other hand, the Spur is one powerful weapon (Aside from the Super Missile Launcher, which I'm sure you've already found), and the one I prefer the most, especially for... Well, I can't say what it is, yet... But you'll discover what it is eventually.

 

Nope, blade > Spur

 

yeah i would agree with roonil. blade is ftw

 

Masturbate.

What racism is this?

 

Nope, blade > Spur

That's true, indeed, but I was simply keeping it within the original focusing point (As to what to trade the Polar Star for). The Blade is undeniably one of the player's best weapons.

 

Masturbation =/= Racism

 

Yup, everyone can do it, regardless of race.

 

You forgot Language and Religion.

 

What's the general consensus on which gun is the best? I'm not very interested in the Snake, and I haven't seen the Charge Shot yet, so basically I was wondering if the Machine Gun is a better choice than the CS.

I have found the following data:

Spur:
Tap: 4 dmg, range 8, no screen limit
Level 2: 10-18 dmg, range 15, unlikely multiple, takes about 1 sec to charge
Level 3: 24-80 dmg, range 15, unlikely multiple, takes 2 secs to charge
Level 4: 72-150 dmg, range 15, unlikely multiple, takes 5 secs to charge
Advantages: high damage, range and no need for weapon energy
Disadvantages: you'll have dead time if you want to charge

Machine Gun:
Level 1: Damage: 2/shot Range: 10 Blocks (Strafes) Screen Limit: None? Destroys Blocks: Yes
Level 2: Damage: 4/shot Range: 10 Blocks (Strafes) Screen Limit: None? Destroys Blocks: Yes
Level 3: Damage: 6/shot Range: 10 Blocks (Strafes) Screen Limit: None? Destroys Blocks: Yes + Kickback
Advantages: kickback at level 3 and shots sorta strafe, withing a degree
Disadvantages: highest weapon energy demand of any of the trade 3


Snake:
Level 1: 4 dmg, range 4, limited to 4 on screen, slow
Level 2: 6 dmg, range 6, limited to 4 on screen, faster, strafes
Level 3: 8 dmg, range 8, limited to 4 on screen, fastest, strafes
Advantages: goes through walls (no need to worry about line of sight), strafes massively at level 2 and 3 (almost a whole block vertically) and has the lowest level up energy of the trade 3
Disadvantages: you give up the Fireball and the Snake can't destroy those breakable blocks


So...
Maybe numbers will help you decide...

 

I have found the following data:

Spur:
Tap: 4 dmg, range 8, no screen limit
Level 2: 10-18 dmg, range 15, unlikely multiple, takes about 1 sec to charge
Level 3: 24-80 dmg, range 15, unlikely multiple, takes 2 secs to charge
Level 4: 72-150 dmg, range 15, unlikely multiple, takes 5 secs to charge
Advantages: high damage, range and no need for weapon energy
Disadvantages: you'll have dead time if you want to charge

Machine Gun:
Level 1: Damage: 2/shot Range: 10 Blocks (Strafes) Screen Limit: None? Destroys Blocks: Yes
Level 2: Damage: 4/shot Range: 10 Blocks (Strafes) Screen Limit: None? Destroys Blocks: Yes
Level 3: Damage: 6/shot Range: 10 Blocks (Strafes) Screen Limit: None? Destroys Blocks: Yes + Kickback
Advantages: kickback at level 3 and shots sorta strafe, withing a degree
Disadvantages: highest weapon energy demand of any of the trade 3


Snake:
Level 1: 4 dmg, range 4, limited to 4 on screen, slow
Level 2: 6 dmg, range 6, limited to 4 on screen, faster, strafes
Level 3: 8 dmg, range 8, limited to 4 on screen, fastest, strafes
Advantages: goes through walls (no need to worry about line of sight), strafes massively at level 2 and 3 (almost a whole block vertically) and has the lowest level up energy of the trade 3
Disadvantages: you give up the Fireball and the Snake can't destroy those breakable blocks


So...
Maybe numbers will help you decide...

You forgot:

Polar Star:
Advantages: You can boast about your skeelz at CS if you complete the game with this
Disadvantages: It sucks -.-

 

I have found the following data:

Spur:
Tap: 4 dmg, range 8, no screen limit
Level 2: 10-18 dmg, range 15, unlikely multiple, takes about 1 sec to charge
Level 3: 24-80 dmg, range 15, unlikely multiple, takes 2 secs to charge
Level 4: 72-150 dmg, range 15, unlikely multiple, takes 5 secs to charge
Advantages: high damage, range and no need for weapon energy
Disadvantages: you'll have dead time if you want to charge

Machine Gun:
Level 1: Damage: 2/shot Range: 10 Blocks (Strafes) Screen Limit: None? Destroys Blocks: Yes
Level 2: Damage: 4/shot Range: 10 Blocks (Strafes) Screen Limit: None? Destroys Blocks: Yes
Level 3: Damage: 6/shot Range: 10 Blocks (Strafes) Screen Limit: None? Destroys Blocks: Yes + Kickback
Advantages: kickback at level 3 and shots sorta strafe, withing a degree
Disadvantages: highest weapon energy demand of any of the trade 3


Snake:
Level 1: 4 dmg, range 4, limited to 4 on screen, slow
Level 2: 6 dmg, range 6, limited to 4 on screen, faster, strafes
Level 3: 8 dmg, range 8, limited to 4 on screen, fastest, strafes
Advantages: goes through walls (no need to worry about line of sight), strafes massively at level 2 and 3 (almost a whole block vertically) and has the lowest level up energy of the trade 3
Disadvantages: you give up the Fireball and the Snake can't destroy those breakable blocks


So...
Maybe numbers will help you decide...

Thanks for the info, I decided to stick with the Machine Gun for my first play-through, I think it suits me the best.

 

The movie wasn't crap, it was good just not great. Still worth watching though. I never regretted seeing it.

Am I the only one here who knows it was a book? Or who read the book for that matter? D:

Another advantage concerning the Snake (though it's kinda tied in with the shoots through walls one) is that snake-super missiles-nemesis seems to be the weapon combo of choice for Hell speedruns... the really fast under three minutes ones... since the Snake can set off Deleets before you get to them, and the slow speed on level 1 is useful for not wasting missiles on the fall through B1...

I actually rather like the Snake.

 

I actually rather like the Snake.

I like you Lyger.
You have love for the Snake.
In my humble opinion (as an analytical phreakazoid), Snake > Machine Gun > Spur.

I mean, 8 Damage > 6 Damage Rapid Fire > Dead Time
And, in all Hell-related usefulness, Range 8 Through Walls > Range 10 > Dead Time

What it all comes down to for me is Utility vs Ease.
And no dead time.
Even the MG can experience Dead Time if you drain the ammo by flying 'poorly' or spamming a boss. Without the Turbo, I'd've never made it through Hell on the MG.
And the one time I ran the Spur through Hell, I *only* lived because of the Whimsical Star. And just barely (55 health, too!).

 

The Blade is undeniably one of the player's best weapons.

DENIED!!!
Nemmy > Blade.
It's Range + Speed + Damage vs. Damage alone.
Nemmy Ballos 2nd form Max Unload Damage Krank (In Practice): ~300+
Blade Ballos 2nd form Max Unload Damage Krank (In Practice): ~150

 

DENIED!!!
Nemmy > Blade.
It's Range + Speed + Damage vs. Damage alone.
Nemmy Ballos 2nd form Max Unload Damage Krank (In Practice): ~300+
Blade Ballos 2nd form Max Unload Damage Krank (In Practice): ~150

Blade =/= Damage alone

Blade = Damage + Splash damage + Awesome control + Utility in all three levels (1 = range, 2 = speed, 3 = damage + splash) + FUN TO USE!!!

Neme = Range + Speed + Damage - Utility - Fun - Control - Splash

Blade > Nemesis in normal gameplay
Nemesis > Blade in Boss fights

 

Yep, Machine Gun's always a great one. The spread is kinda useful, and makes it among the weapons capable of creating a 'shield' of damage to protect you from incoming projectiles/enemies/attacks. And the flying ability is just cheap - I mean, except to jump once in the beginning, I never really touched the ground when fighting the doctor, thereby eliminating most of his threat. >.> <.<
And personally, I'd say that Snake is the second best. Although the Spur has higher damage output, I have other weapons I can use for that, and anyways, simply hitting the fire button fast enough will generally be sufficient, if not ideal. On the other hand, its wavy path makes it excellent for shielding, while combined with its wall-penetration, is quite useful for hitting enemies from behind cover, when your range of motion is limited. If I had to choose a weapon for a 3HP-non-minimal run, it would be my unquestioning decision.

 

Yep, Machine Gun's always a great one. The spread is kinda useful, and makes it among the weapons capable of creating a 'shield' of damage to protect you from incoming projectiles/enemies/attacks. And the flying ability is just cheap - I mean, except to jump once in the beginning, I never really touched the ground when fighting the doctor, thereby eliminating most of his threat. >.> <.<
And personally, I'd say that Snake is the second best. Although the Spur has higher damage output, I have other weapons I can use for that, and anyways, simply hitting the fire button fast enough will generally be sufficient, if not ideal. On the other hand, its wavy path makes it excellent for shielding, while combined with its wall-penetration, is quite useful for hitting enemies from behind cover, when your range of motion is limited. If I had to choose a weapon for a 3HP-non-minimal run, it would be my unquestioning decision.

In 3 HP runs blade can serve as the shield because of its splash damage and speed. I'm one of the rare guys who prefer Spur to MG and Snake XD.

 

Did anyone catch the M.U.D.K.I.P. reference?

 

You know, I have wondered about the Snake, though...

How can Quote see what he's shooting?

If he's taking out enemies from behind walls... how does he know where the enemies are?

Obviously as the player you can see... but judging from what I've seen of the forums so far, wondering how Cave Story would work "IRL" doesn't seem to be much of a stretch at all.