Who do you want to win the U.S. presidency 2016? (Debate)

Sanders has my vote now.

 

Have you ever heard of the Buffet Rule?

It is all you can eat

 

It is all you can eat

pfff it's sad because i do remember revising that at one point

 

6 Mother Fucking Votes For Homeboy D. Trump!!!!!

 

Warning: this multi-post is long as hell.

I don't know who to vote for. I just really think that all forms of economics are likely to do badly, due to human greed and laziness. Communism may have a lot less poor, but at the cost of poorer work coming from the people. Capitalism may allow for products to be more competitive to be better, but it also leads to deception, and people who are lazy take shortcuts or give up, leading to crime and homelessness. I can't really see those problems ever disappearing because of the way humans are. Communism would work if people only cared for the whole of the group. Capitalism would work if people were kind to others and told the plain truth. If humans were perfect, there would be no need for economics or government, after all.

The question at this point isn't if people are corrupt - it's what system keeps them at bay the most. Capitalism seems to be doing a good job at this, but at the expense of keeping a good deal of non-corrupt people at bay. Welfare doctrines would allow most of those people (if applied correctly) to make their living.

@Bombchu Link
There's a good deal to consider with your argument. To start, ISIS isn't a religious group in any way. Just like the Nazis, they claim to have a religion but in reality there's nothing of the sort. They're bloodthirsty bastards. And refugees don't necessarily mean terror. San Bernardino was committed by a Pakistani national (Pakistan is not Syria nor Iraq, where the violence is) and an American citizen. Paris was committed by radicalized French and Belgians. To beat ISIS, we need to put boots on the ground and get them the fuck out of here. Putting soldiers on the ground is expensive both morally and monetarily, but it has to be done. And the environment is a MASSIVE issue. It's bad enough that the most we know is that more CO2 means hotter temperatures. We barely know what's going to happen if we exhaust our fossil fuels completely, and what we do know is certain death. I'd argue that all the deaths ISIS can reasonably cause are less than the deaths of a screwed environment.

Crooks and criminals will still get weapons, they always will. I can agree to that. But clean people can get them too. Democrats just want to make sure that unstable people won't be getting guns. They want to ban military-grade weapons, mostly because it's not necessary to defend yourself (although I think if you're a responsible person, you can buy whatever the hell kind of gun you want) and it leads to mass shootings.

ISIS doesn't have nukes. That's Iran, and the deal was to PREVENT them from getting nukes. Yes, the healthcare is broken, but the administration's trying to fix that.

It's not socialism, it's welfare. There's a difference.

Welfare isn't communism.

Corruption isn't preventable - only with moral education and possibly eugenics, which are WAY too dangerous to use.

That seems like a personal issue with local government, not with the presidency.

@BLink capitalism will only continue to work as long as there's work that needs to be done. That is, as long as doing labor is profitable for the capital owners paying for the labor (business owners paying salaries). But we're moving towards a society where we're going to run out of work soon. I don't know if you've seen this video ( Humans need not apply ), but automation is most likely on course to get rid of most of the jobs people do, and especially the jobs that blue collar workers make their bread and butter from. Once these jobs are gone, what will happen to these workers? It won't be profitable for the capital owners to pay them to do jobs that need not be done, that's for sure. I'm not saying the states should make a direct move to pure socialism, but maybe having Bernie move things a little more to the left might ease the growing pains as the world's work situation changes here.

Well, government intervention could help in this case. But we just don't know how mechanization is going to impact the economy. It's never happened before, we have no clue how to deal with it. What I think could be done is spread the labor over the population so that everyone has to do less and everyone's still employed. Once mechanization replaces all labor, we're going to need to have a replacement for capitalism. Like you said, people work to produce things that are bought: and that money goes to them. With robots, no one can work, and therefore make money.

Sanders. People view him as a "dirty Socialist" but Socialism when combined with democracy works exceedingly well.

It's probably welfare you're talking about. Social democracy (as in Europe) does work quite well, but with a larger population like the U.S.'s we have no clue how it'll work.

 

Europe has twice as many people as the united States does

 

let's just say that Canada is basically a Socialist Democracy and it works very well for them

what the hell no it isn't

 

Europe has twice as many people as the united States does

Yeah but not every European country has a functioning welfare system
It's really only Germany and the Nordic countries which is about a third of the U.S. population, give or take. I could be wrong though. Plus, and please let me finish my argument before vehemently shouting, those nations tend to have a stronger work ethic and pro-government culture. I'm not saying they work harder than Americans, but there is a cultural difference that plays into this.

what the hell no it isn't

Wait, what? I thought it was going quite well. Where do you get this information from?

 

Wait, what? I thought it was going quite well. Where do you get this information from?

I believe that Dunc may be referring to "Canada is a Socialist Democracy" with his reply, otherwise he'd probably use "doesn't" rather than "isn't"!

Also, he lives in Canada, so it could be argued that he's a primary source.

 

@BLink capitalism will only continue to work as long as there's work that needs to be done. That is, as long as doing labor is profitable for the capital owners paying for the labor (business owners paying salaries). But we're moving towards a society where we're going to run out of work soon. I don't know if you've seen this video ( Humans need not apply ), but automation is most likely on course to get rid of most of the jobs people do, and especially the jobs that blue collar workers make their bread and butter from. Once these jobs are gone, what will happen to these workers? It won't be profitable for the capital owners to pay them to do jobs that need not be done, that's for sure. I'm not saying the states should make a direct move to pure socialism, but maybe having Bernie move things a little more to the left might ease the growing pains as the world's work situation changes here.

I was going to go on a socialism rant but yes, that's precisely what I would have said (except less intelligently).


Obama-care was a massive mistake, and I say this from a democratic standpoint. My parents are being forced to pay for healthcare that they can not afford because the government does not factor child support as negating income (my father pays $800 a month to a daughter that he is supposed to legally be required to see monthly but hasn't seen in years, and she was just granted an indeterminate amount extra until she has finished college; meanwhile, I'll be luck to go to college without drowning in student loans).

My parents are forced to either deal with a compounding fine on tax returns or the infinitely massive money-sucking black hole that is health care. There needs to be a public option and there should not be a mandate.

 

I'm voting for trump because no other candidate has such fine ass hair

Trump, the only man who's hair on his ass looks fine

 

I'm voting for trump because no other candidate has such fine ass hair

you'll probably agree with the results of the last canadian election, then

 

Nine ingenious individuals have voted for the fantastically intellectual Donald Trump. May his campaign be auspicious and his anus hairs be exquisite.

 

Seven ingenious individuals have voted for the fantastically intellectual Donald Trump. May his campaign be auspicious and his anus hairs be exquisite.

it dropped to 6

 

May his anus hairs be exquisite.

Camero are you okay

 

This is pretty late considering this picture's been up for a while but Cruz is by far the most manipulative of all the candidates and certainly plays to emotions like paranoia very well

In other words, he's a scarily good at being a politician

 

lmao I looked at that image and thought it was some kind of trollepost, but that's a real politician's dot com?

 

In all its beautifully propagated glory

 

How bloody hard is it for the US to implement basic gun laws?

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tolls

 

It probably comes down to greed at some level. At least, I hope so. It's almost scarier to think that the prospective leaders of our country can't understand that you don't fix continued violence with more guns.