Depression

Jesus Christ man, I'm really fucking pissed if you think that suicide is caused by "society convincing people their life isn't worth living"
You obviously haven't the slightest idea of what depression really is if you think that's what it's about
Come back to this thread when you actually care about people instead of just trying to prove how horrible society is

You have to look at the big picture. In some cases (not all, but some, so I am not saying he was completely in the right), it is societal standards that generate negativity about certain people. If you don't match society's standards, you often get burned. Look at people in the LGBT community, people suffering from obesity and mental issues, etc. They don't fit society's standards, and certain members of society take offense to that and bully them or shun them for it. This can lead to depression or suicide. Fortunately, society is getting much better with that, and the times are changing. So honestly, I don't think that the argument is valid any longer. It focuses too much on the people who still uphold the Old World societal standards, and their numbers are shrinking every day.

Not only that, but not everyone gets depressed because they don't fit in with society, so the point was only half valid anyway. You could make a whole debate about how individuals are adversely affected by society but it's hardly worth developing the argument for argument's sake. Because of the limited amount of knowledge and analysis humans can do/make, it's impossible to know if either of you are correct.

It's probably more worth dropping the argument, and instead of fighting over the problem's source, try our best to help people who have the problem. One day we'll discover its source, but it won't be any of us. We're not doctors or psychologists, so we need to stop acting like we are.

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Another thing. I have considered suicide. But don't anyone EVER even remotely think about it. Think long and hard about what you believe, or think you believe. Are you willing to take the risk of ceasing to exist just because you want the suffering to end? Think long and hard about the word nothing.

 

I'm actually not sure what @Raus meant. Anyway, depression and suicide are very different things.
There are many factors that can contribute to someone committing suicide, I was saying one of the reasons I considered it.

I didn't mean about you being depressed, but about the pharmacists' forced neglection of things like psychotherapy.

Now, I don't have one set definition, and it can be extrapolated broadly to an extent, but here is a rough general overview as to what I meant.

What I meant by "people like q3hardcore" is that there are people who will take whatever chance to bat down and disregard ideas that are different and/or are negative to one's own profit gain. The scope to this is all very dependent on the subject at hand with different variables to it, but it usually involves either rather controversial subjects to one degree or another, or again loss of profit stuff. It can and has included subjects that don't even matter. (irl i.e. "flies are disgusting creatures and should be exterminated", "the color coding of resistors is really stupid and we should adopt Russia's method", "this teacher doesn't recognize young children as humans") These people are stubborn and biased, blinded by their own motives of either greed, corruption, pomposity, or something else.

And again, I have nothing personal against you, this is all from an analytical perspective focusing on behavior and attitude.

 

A socialist-democracy is the best option out of all the different types of government in my opinion.

Socialism in its purest form is even worse than capitalism.

 

Socialism in its purest form is even worse than capitalism.

Which is why you need to balance it with a socialist democracy and add in a splash of capitalism.

 

Which is why you need to balance it with a socialist democracy and add in a splash of capitalism.

Then come welfare payments which create revenue/expendature problems for a government. People then feel entitled to welfare payments, which makes it hard to wind back. Then if it isn't kept in check you become the next Greece.

 

Then come welfare payments which create revenue/expendature problems for a government. People then feel entitled to welfare payments, which makes it hard to wind back. Then if it isn't kept in check you become the next Greece.

And you're telling me this ultra-regulated capitalism that we have now is any better?

 

I'm saying to stop looking to the next yard over for greener pastures. Just because the alternative doesn't share the same problems, that doesn't mean it doesn't have problems of its own.

 

I'm saying to stop looking to the next yard over for greener pastures. Just because the alternative doesn't share the same problems, that doesn't mean it doesn't have problems of its own.

Fair enough. What I really despise is that corporations benefit more and have more rights than individuals.

 

Hi everyone.
I understand that many people, including some on these forums, are having unfortunate issues.
I would like to offer advice.
A coping mechanism I have for when I'm in one of those puddles of sadness (which is not depression, I realize that) that is seemingly inescapable is some humor. Music also works well.
It is NOT a CURE, but it does help get through it temporarily. Use whatever you find wisely, as humor and enjoyment can decrease over time.

Some comedy channels/movies/organizations I personally recommend:
-Monty Python (not just the Holy Grail)
-Studio C (YouTube channel)
-Element Animation (YouTube channel)
-Austin Powers and all movies of the brand

As for music, Ode to Joy, especially in c and d major chords works very well. Uplifting and bright music is good. While it's okay to recognize sadness, do not surround yourself in it.

 

Hi everyone.
I understand that many people, including some on these forums, are having unfortunate issues.
I would like to offer advice.
A coping mechanism I have for when I'm in one of those puddles of sadness (which is not depression, I realize that) that is seemingly inescapable is some humor. Music also works well.
It is NOT a CURE, but it does help get through it temporarily. Use whatever you find wisely, as humor and enjoyment can decrease over time.

Some comedy channels/movies/organizations I personally recommend:
-Monty Python (not just the Holy Grail)
-Studio C (YouTube channel)
-Element Animation (YouTube channel)
-Austin Powers and all movies of the brand

As for music, Ode to Joy, especially in c and d major chords works very well. Uplifting and bright music is good. While it's okay to recognize sadness, do not surround yourself in it.

For me acting all stupid and and crappy works better idk how. Not like emo because thats stupid. Like listening to depressing or for that matter just slow music (The Cure anyone?) surprisingly can help me out of a depression.

Some songs i listen to if im sad or depressed: Everybody hurts by REM, Snow ((Hey oh)) by Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Way it was by by the killers, A long december by counting crows, Lovesong By the Cure, What Sarah Said By Death Cab for Cutie, Country Feedback By REM (possibly my favorite song)

But of course accepting the fact that you ARE sad always helps because just holding a fake plastic smile (i made a radiohead reference sorry) will only make you feel worse in my experience. Again, DONT act all emo but you should at least talk about your problems to a close friend. i only have one friend i trust enough to tell about whats going on and surely theres someone in everyone's life they can talk to.

 

@Some random guy
I myself make everything in my life something to be joyous -and even humorous at times- about; but not faking it. Even if something were to make me feel like I'm the scum of the earth, I am just simply unable to stay depressed like that. In a few hours I'm all happy again, and find the previous upsetting matter laughable.

@funwillfunwill
I agree that you have to face the fact that you're sad. This applies to a lot of things beyond just this too.

 

I myself make everything in my life something to be joyous -and even humorous at times- about; but not faking it.

I just can't seem to do that. Sometimes, when I try acting cheerful, it feels really fake and uncomfortable. So uncomfortable, in fact, that I don't say anything at all.

 

I just can't seem to do that. Sometimes, when I try acting cheerful, it feels really fake and uncomfortable. So uncomfortable, in fact, that I don't say anything at all.

It didn't come to me at first either. I used to be extremely cynical about everything, (and still am at times, but with a touch of humor nowadays) but I've grown accustomed to life, and it's peculiarities. It's why I'm so laid-back about things, not to say I can't be dead-serious when needed.
It's a bit hard to explain, but it can't be something you can pretend to be, or fake. You have to feel it deeply in your soul, make it have a meaning. Eh, I can't explain this too well ^_^;

 

@Some random guy
I myself make everything in my life something to be joyous -and even humorous at times- about; but not faking it. Even if something were to make me feel like I'm the scum of the earth, I am just simply unable to stay depressed like that. In a few hours I'm all happy again, and find the previous upsetting matter laughable.

@funwillfunwill
I agree that you have to face the fact that you're sad. This applies to a lot of things beyond just this too.

Don't worry, you'll get the proverbial Earth-shattering-kick-to-the-groin soon enough. It's very difficult to feel happy all the time in this world.

 

Don't worry, you'll get the proverbial Earth-shattering-kick-to-the-groin soon enough. It's very difficult to feel happy all the time in this world.

I've already seen terribly unspeakable things which I'm not comfortable with sharing, but the ensuing depression only lingered at most a couple hours.
So unless Earth splits open and consumes everything, I doubt there will be any of that proverbial action.

 

Don't worry, you'll get the proverbial Earth-shattering-kick-to-the-groin soon enough. It's very difficult to feel happy all the time in this world.

lol. well obviously its not possible to feel happy all the time. Normally being sad is for dumb reasons though, like thinking about the future too much or being all nostalgic.

 

lol. well obviously its not possible to feel happy all the time. Normally being sad is for dumb reasons though, like thinking about the future too much or being all nostalgic.

I'm not always eternally happy, I do become sad at times. What is key to my point is that I'm otherwise jovial for the majority of my day; I incorporate it into a lot of what I do.

 

I'm not always eternally happy, I do become sad at times. What is key to my point is that I'm otherwise jovial for the majority of my day; I incorporate it into a lot of what I do.

Man i wish i could be more like that. Most of my friends are for the most part but i have a few who are like me in that they are sad more often than need be. But life moves on its not a big deal after all. Honestly if I look at everything happening in my life, its pretty good. Other peoples lives are what make me sad sometimes., along with what i previously stated. Happiness just comes easily with some people, i on the other hand, seem to be just a downer. Idk if thats mentally or not but all my closest friends are like that too.

Sadly i have one friend who just takes things to far in the sadness respect. he doesnt always act sad but you can tell theres always something in the back of his mind. He's a really smart person but is the kind of person i can imagine living under a bridge one day. I mean theres just a lot of things he does that worry me...

 

Don't worry, you'll get the proverbial Earth-shattering-kick-to-the-groin soon enough. It's very difficult to feel happy all the time in this world.

Speak for yourself. Depression does not necessarily imply sadness, you know. It's just that that's often the most prominent symptom. I'm usually very happy, but that doesn't mean I haven't had (or don't have) my fair share of problems.

 

Speak for yourself. Depression does not necessarily imply sadness, you know. It's just that that's often the most prominent symptom. I'm usually very happy, but that doesn't mean I haven't had (or don't have) my fair share of problems.

de·pres·sion
dəˈpreSH(ə)n/
noun

1. 1.
   feelings of severe despondency and dejection.
   "self-doubt creeps in and that swiftly turns to depression"
2. 2.
   a long and severe recession in an economy or market.
   "the depression in the housing market"
   synonyms: recession, slump, decline, downturn, standstill;
   

That first one sounds a lot like sadness to me, although it depends on your definition of sadness.